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Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #105 –
I think Mirkov might have been a wiser choice ....

Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #106 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
My concern with TDK is his fragility. With Pitto doing alot of the grunt work to date, TDK gets a lot of relief reducing risk of injury. We are going to see today how much load Tom can take as the sole big banana. Yes he will get help from Jack and co but...
I would have played Mirkov as others have suggested and agree on TDK, he isn't the type of ruck you play for the majority of the game on the ball imo due to his injury history.

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Reply #107 –
I think Mirkov would get smashed by Witts, and if we are setting Mirkov to have a long career an event like that can derail progress and confidence for years and years.

I think when assessing these things you've got to look past the highlights and see the grunt, Mirkov is a way off. At VFL level you get away with little hesitations while you stop/pause to think about what to do next, at AFL level which is 24x7 preparation and practice, it has to be reflex or else you're 10m behind the play.

Mirkov is learning what to do quite quickly, I can see SpecialK's influence, and he might be ahead of the curve, but he's a way off AFL standard, he's in the Ben Silvagni zone at the moment showing he can be good enough to compete but not yet at the standard.

I think fans are too obsessed with playing these guys early, more often than not for every one you find that stands up and is made by that experience, you break a dozen or two others!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #108 –
I just want Mirkov to compete, don't expect a win in the ruck but more sharing the workload so TDK isn't banged up.
We don't need a winning ruck to win this game imo..

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Reply #109 –
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Reply #110 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I just want Mirkov to compete, don't expect a win in the ruck but more sharing the workload so TDK isn't banged up.
We don't need a winning ruck to win this game imo..
That would be potentially sacrificing the medium to long term future for a short term win, a crack at the lucky dip, the risk doesn't match the reward.

We've already got someone in SoJ that is more than capable of just competing, actually much much more, because his 2nd efforts and work rate are without question. SoJ can lose the tap and win the clearance, I don't think Mirkov can!

Don't listen to the naysayers, the likes of Darcy, Watson, King(Disappointing that he's joined in with the other kickers but I suppose he knows who butters his bread) and Lyon in the media telling Carlton fans it's a danger game, they are waiting to opportunistically stomp on our corpse and they'll tell you that same thing right up until the moment we hold up a chalice, at which time they'll flip like the mangy dogs they are! They repeat the same garbage every week, every quarter, every moment, breeding doubt, and then when it inevitably happens as it must that something goes wrong, they say "I told you so!

But the naysayers aren't Nostradamus's, they are not even Nostradamus's ar5ehole!

Patience @ElwoodBlues1 it will pay off.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #111 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think Mirkov would get smashed by Witts, and if we are setting Mirkov to have a long career an event like that can derail progress and confidence for years and years.

I think fans are too obsessed with playing these guys early, more often than not for every one you find that stands up and is made by that experience, you break a dozen or two others!

You gotta blood the kid sometime.  Better than injuring Silvagni.

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: capcom – on
You gotta blood the kid sometime.  Better than injuring Silvagni.
Don't panic, if he is up to snuff it'll happen eventually.

Injuries have no such pattern, it is not a cause and effect of selection, and if SoJ does unluckily cop a niggle we've Kemp waiting in the wings, you've gotta blood the kid sometime, and I'd assert Kemp is well ahead of Mirkov in terms of progress and preparation. ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #113 –
Quote from: LP – on
Don't panic, if he is up to snuff it'll happen eventually.

Injuries have no such pattern, it is not a cause and effect of selection, and if SoJ does unluckily cop a niggle we've Kemp waiting in the wings, you've gotta blood the kid sometime, and I'd assert Kemp is well ahead of Mirkov in terms of progress and preparation. ;)

You've gotta blood the kid sometime
Now is sometime
Therefore you've gotta blood the kid now

is not a valid piece of reasoning.  I thought about Mirkov and the eductaion Witts could give him but he is simply too far off ready.  I'd like to bring in Kemp as the injury sub as he can cover just about any type who might go down.  Lose a key back? - in comes Kemp.  Likewise medium or small back, or a mid or forward of any size, even a ruck just to compete.

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Reply #114 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I would have played Mirkov as others have suggested and agree on TDK, he isn't the type of ruck you play for the majority of the game on the ball imo due to his injury history.
Agree, he is raw but a game wouldn't have done his development any harm.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #115 –
Can't plan for everything but Mirkov playing at the moment is an all or nothing scenario so bringing him in is effectively a match winning or losing move.

Young can play through the ruck as relief to TDK or as an alternative to TDK and JSOS getting beaten.  Thats 3 bona-fide options and forward stoppages can be taken by others (cripps has gone in the ruck at times). 

I like the idea of kemp better,  but we might have been better off with more running power anyway as playing a nothing tall who's getting beaten leaves you nowhere to go if he's not up to it yet and it can cost us 4 points more than it will win us 4 points.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #116 –
Looks like Boyd is the medical sub.

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Reply #117 –
I guess that means he's a 2 game player now. At least he won't join the "only 1 AFL game" club.

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Reply #118 –
Liking Philp's game so far...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #119 –
re Mirkov...
How many games of footy has he actually played?

Has he hit double figures yet? Its definitely under 20.

There is raw, and then there is raw meat that is frozen solid.

I think Jack rucked against GC and Witts previously, let him do it again.
Let mirkov get as many minutes as he can while we have enough coverage in the 1's.