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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #75
There was at least one blatant high tackle on Cerra that should have been cited.  There was also a blatant sling/dump tackle on Walsh - gees he cops some treatment - Freo don't mind dishing it out and I thought it was pretty average umpiring not to pull it up at the time.   I get them being pi55ed at Cerra, but surely you can't rip his head off at every opportunity?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #76
Agreed Prof but we had a good run of it early and I think we got a few our way that, watching replays on the big screen, weren't there. Can't remember who the player was but a Freo defender got caught blatantly dropping it about 20m out, right in front and umpire was standing about 10m way and called play on....certain free kick what should've been a goal.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #77
The most sensible thing the Mark Robinson has written in years......

"Fremantle has been working for three years to implement a well balanced defensive and offensive game style under coach Justin Longmuir. The Blues are six week into Michael Voss’ grand plan which means the Blues are a work in progress. Voss is focusing on the contest and clearance and the remaining layers will come over time. That is their ability to transition the ball and to defend transition, which is the hardest part of the game to develop and implement. They can’t win the flag this year, and might even end up in scrap for the eight, and that’s not sweeping criticism of the Blues, it’s just that they are not capable in all facets of the game."

Did he read my post😜

The comparison is pretty obvious when you take your navy goggles off!
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #78
Both coaches have Cripps BoG!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #79
Watched the game again last night, hopefully with a more objective view.

Probably stating the obvious but a few bad habits from years gone by were on display - playing safe, bombing it out of defense and bombing it into the forward line from the wings... hence landing around the 50m arc rather than deep into the forward line to give the small forwards opportunities.

Saad seemed to be the only defender trying to launch attacks after gaining meterage and breaking lines.

The wings were playing safe.

Missing (in fact the last 3 weeks) was the boldness and quick ball speed of the first three weeks.

Parks, the Gov replacement, seems enthusiastic to spoil whereas the Gov intercepts and launches attacks. Newnes is another safe selection.

Player availability has probably affected our ability to be bold. Gov, Willo, LOB, Stocker, even Dow are all risk takers who run and carry and have dangerous/penetrating disposals.

We'll probably be able to sustain bold meterage gains once we've regained blokes who can deliver on this rather than safer selections of blokes with limited abilities/experience. For starters, would prefer to see blokes like LOB, Willo, Walsh or Dow on the wings.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #80
Watched the game again last night, hopefully with a more objective view.

Probably stating the obvious but a few bad habits from years gone by were on display - playing safe, bombing it out of defense and bombing it into the forward line from the wings... hence landing around the 50m arc rather than deep into the forward line to give the small forwards opportunities.

Saad seemed to be the only defender trying to launch attacks after gaining meterage and breaking lines.

The wings were playing safe.

Missing (in fact the last 3 weeks) was the boldness and quick ball speed of the first three weeks.

Parks, the Gov replacement, seems enthusiastic to spoil whereas the Gov intercepts and launches attacks. Newnes is another safe selection.

Player availability has probably affected our ability to be bold. Gov, Willo, LOB, Stocker, even Dow are all risk takers who run and carry and have dangerous/penetrating disposals.

We'll probably be able to sustain bold meterage gains once we've regained blokes who can deliver on this rather than safer selections of blokes with limited abilities/experience. For starters, would prefer to see blokes like LOB, Willo, Walsh or Dow on the wings.
Saad is great but like a lot of our other defenders needs to have cover for his man when he does launch attacks, Richmond mastered the art of having Grimes, Vlastuin ,and Broad rotate over and look after players like Houli's, Short, Bakers man etc so if the ball came straight back quickly you dont get players like Schultz, Walters and Switzkowski being hit up all alone.
We need a Grimes type who can play on a variety of players and read the play well...

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #81
Saad is great but like a lot of our other defenders needs to have cover for his man when he does launch attacks,
I'm undecided about this, for the reason you point out and for the fact a lot of Saad's kicks go to nowhere particular, Saad's disposal is not like Gov who picks the eyes out of targets. Saad is a bit predictable.

I like Saad's intercept and run but I see his disposal more like Dangerflog, who roosts the pill 65m every time he gets his hands on it. I can see why Saad plays that way, he's clearing the zone and giving himself time to fall back onto his direct opponent, rather than risk a hard high risk high reward target but potentially cause a turnover and be out of the play.

If we could make one good player with Saad's intercept and Yarran's ball use it would be heaven!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #82
https://www.afl.com.au/video/749825/-biggest-cop-out-the-area-blues-must-improve-to-take-next-step?videoId=749825&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1650945448001
Ties in with what I said and have been saying for weeks, too many unaccountable attacking types and not enough manning up.

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Reply #83
Ties in with what I said and have been saying for weeks, too many unaccountable attacking types and not enough manning up.
Do we actually have the leg speed to go man on man as a defensive unit?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #84

As they said in the video, nobody mans up anymore. Everyone plays zones.

Yes, it looks bad on Saad because he is in 2 of the clips, but previously it would show plowman and people would lambaste him for the same thing.
Its a bit funny, but the player you see closest to the ball once a mark is taken is usually the least selfish player as they actually tried to get there in the end, rather than everyone else who didn't even bother trying to get to the contest.
That is, Plowman would always be trying to man up 2 players because someone else left a man and ended up being 'the guy' who drew the attention for letting 'his' opponent get an easy mark. Reality was that he was covering 2 at once and could do no more.

In short, its more of a breakdown of the zone, than specific poor individual performances.

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Reply #85
Do we actually have the leg speed to go man on man as a defensive unit?
I dont see Williams, Saad, Docherty, Newman etc as slow just more interested in attacking than defending...it wasnt rocket science with how Freo lined up down forward how they would play.
I think Stocker is a more capable defender who can still attack and even McGovern has more defensive qualities to add to his intercept work than the others. Plowman is slow and Williamsons decisions making erratic so I dont see them as a  fix either.
Pains me to say it but McGovern actually gave our defense better balance and was a good assistant for Weitering, Omac/Young.
IMO one of Williams/Newman is surplus....

 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #86
As they said in the video, nobody mans up anymore. Everyone plays zones.

Yes, it looks bad on Saad because he is in 2 of the clips, but previously it would show plowman and people would lambaste him for the same thing.
Its a bit funny, but the player you see closest to the ball once a mark is taken is usually the least selfish player as they actually tried to get there in the end, rather than everyone else who didn't even bother trying to get to the contest.
That is, Plowman would always be trying to man up 2 players because someone else left a man and ended up being 'the guy' who drew the attention for letting 'his' opponent get an easy mark. Reality was that he was covering 2 at once and could do no more.

In short, its more of a breakdown of the zone, than specific poor individual performances.
Everyone attacks but the good teams have a couple of players who rotate over to backup their mate who has gone on the attacking run like I was saying...Saad turned to look who had rotated over to Schultz but saw only fresh air...
Petty does a lot of that for Melbourne when May and Lever go off intercepting, been made worse by losing Jones for us, as much as he was a mad hatter with ball in hand at times he had the speed to get over and spoil for teammates.

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Reply #87
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Marc Pittonet will be sidelined for the next couple of months with scans confirming a ruptured posterior cruciate ligament in his knee.
Called it at the time. PCL - 8 weeks.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #88
Called it at the time. PCL - 8 weeks.
Grundy gone for 12 weeks....knee on knee too......do we end up with ruckman wearing knee guards...
Darcy lined up Pittonet IMHO, he had eyes only for the player and was intent on meeting him physically rather than the ball.

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Reply #89
I suspect allowing opposition sides to get 'runs of goals' is more between the lug holes than anything. Establishing a system (and trust in that system) that becomes 'habitual' in countering this will take time, and we need the personnel to carry it out.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17