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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #45 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Last night, the delivery into the forward lines was supreme.  Carlton and especially Richmond squandered lots of chances with crap ball use.
I tend to think we squander more easy shot than entries though. The accuracy last night was insane.
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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I tend to think we squander more easy shot than entries though. The accuracy last night was insane.
Accuracy and skills...disposal skills of both teams were the best I have seen for seasons....

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #47 –
Kemp probably a better sub option than Dow.....if Dow comes in, he should be in the 22, not the sub. Kemp has a bit more flexibility. Not sure what his pre-season form is like but he's the type of player who will fit the sub mould.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #48 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Accuracy and skills...disposal skills of both teams were the best I have seen for seasons....

Yep, but that's what you get with little defensive pressure. Our game was all defensive pressure/locking the ball in. Must say the Pussycats v Dagpies game was great to watch. Very entertaining with all those goals.

The only time our defensive pressure waned cost us 3 unanswered Tigger goals... which cost us the game.
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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Yep, but that's what you get with little defensive pressure. Our game was all defensive pressure/locking the ball in. Must say the Pussycats v Dagpies game was great to watch. Very entertaining with all those goals.

The only time our defensive pressure waned cost us 3 unanswered Tigger goals... which cost us the game.

I'm more inclined to blame our midfield players for those goals.  They applied no pressure at the centre bounces and consequently the Richmond mids swept the ball straight into their forward line.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Yep, but that's what you get with little defensive pressure. Our game was all defensive pressure/locking the ball in. Must say the Pussycats v Dagpies game was great to watch. Very entertaining with all those goals.

The only time our defensive pressure waned cost us 3 unanswered Tigger goals... which cost us the game.
Both teams skills were poor which led to a scrum type game and created that pressure imho. Delivery into both teams forward lines was terrible and when it was ok we managed to slip over or drop the mark. Looked like a game between two midpack teams...

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #51 –
I’d love to give Dow a go and I’m not convinced that he can’t play the role that either Owies or Martin play equally well (I’d argue probably better).  Dow can spend time as a high half forward and can also attend some centre bounces.

As others have said, Corey Durdin for Owies is relatively clear.

I’d go with Pittonet (subject to fitness), Durdin and Dow IN and Silvagni, Owies and Martin OUT. Fisher on notice that he will be replaced by Honey if his output doesn’t improve.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #52 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on

As others have said, Corey Durdin for Owies is relatively clear.

Not if he hasn't played a praccy game yet. Has to come through the reserves IMO.
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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #53 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
As others have said, Corey Durdin for Owies is relatively clear.
I think Owies is well ahead of Fisher and Martin if there is any justice.

Personally, I doubt outside of injuries or soreness if there will be many changes for Rnd 2.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #54 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think Owies is well ahead of Fisher and Martin if there is any justice.

Personally, I doubt outside of injuries or soreness if there will be many changes for Rnd 2.

I think you're right LP.

The blokes who are being criticised for not having an impact were starved of opportunities by our inability to transition out of defence.  With the exception of Harry, we didn't have a marking target or even someone who could halve a contest when we were forced to kick long.  Having two newbies at the coalface probably didn't help either (not that I think Hollands and Cowan shouldn't have played).  They'll be better for the experience and a few tweaks to our structure and transition should mean more opportunities for our forwards.
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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #55 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think Owies is well ahead of Fisher and Martin if there is any justice.

Personally, I doubt outside of injuries or soreness if there will be many changes for Rnd 2.

Then we will be very disappointed.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
I'm more inclined to blame our midfield players for those goals.  They applied no pressure at the centre bounces and consequently the Richmond mids swept the ball straight into their forward line.

I think that's true, but I wouldn't underestimate Richmond's quality. They were 1st in points for last season and 4th in percentage. There's nothing that I can see that suggests they are worse off this season than last. If they can iron out a little flakiness and lack of polish in losing games they should win, they are still very capable IMO. That was a tough game against quality opposition IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #57 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I think you're right LP.

The blokes who are being criticised for not having an impact were starved of opportunities by our inability to transition out of defence.
@DJC  Yep, we put the forward half in deep hibernation, you can't blame them for that, and our efficiency from F50 entries wasn't bad at all.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #58 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think that's true, but I wouldn't underestimate Richmond's quality. They were 1st in points for last season and 4th in percentage. There's nothing that I can see that suggests they are worse off this season than last. If they can iron out a little flakiness and lack of polish in losing games they should win, they are still very capable IMO. That was a tough game against quality opposition IMO.

Ditto - a quality outfit failed to win in front of their home fans - they played as a unit and had no passengers other than the finish.

We can take alot out of that game no doubt about it. Time and time again our forward of center ground ball players were just no where near our talls. Not working hard enough to lock the ball in.

Dow is an interesting proposition a talent that doesnt chase and tackle.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #59 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think that's true, but I wouldn't underestimate Richmond's quality. They were 1st in points for last season and 4th in percentage. There's nothing that I can see that suggests they are worse off this season than last. If they can iron out a little flakiness and lack of polish in losing games they should win, they are still very capable IMO. That was a tough game against quality opposition IMO.

I agree with you.  In addition, their midfield played with the same intensity for the whole game - which tends to highlight our problem.

In this game, as with so many last year,  we showed an inability to concentrate for the entirety of the game.  Lapses in concentration ranging from 5 to 15 minutes seem to be standard practice for us, and we invariably allow easy goals against us and/or bring the other side back into the game.

I don't know what the answer is but until there is a solution we won't overcome the top teams.