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Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #120 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'd be keeping McGovern.
I'd be keeping Silvagni.
I'd even be keeping Marchbank.
We have enough blokes who we should look at cutting first IMO.
Kemp, McGovern and Marchbank are too alike for me so I wouldnt be keeping Marchbank especially if Ben McKay was on the way in.
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #121 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Kemp, McGovern and Marchbank are too alike for me so I wouldnt be keeping Marchbank especially if Ben McKay was on the way in.

Too alike....perhaps....but better than any 18yo kid coming in.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #122 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Kemp, McGovern and Marchbank are too alike for me so I wouldnt be keeping Marchbank especially if Ben McKay was on the way in.

I’d say that they have very different skill sets, although Kemp and McGovern both have the ability to compete in the air with taller opponents, and both can play as forwards if required.  Kemp is harder at the contest and has the step and toe to break the lines.

Marchbank’s go is reading the play and taking intercept marks.  He doesn’t have the physicality of Kemp or the hops of McGovern.

McGovern’s form, and the improvement in our defence when he’s in the mix, provides a solid case for an extension.  I don’t buy the scuttlebut about no other clubs being interested but it seems that his preference is to stay in navy blue … and why wouldn’t that be the case?

Marchbank is a conundrum.  His best footy is very good, but can he stay on the park?  Do we persevere or cut our losses?  I’d be inclined to keep him on to see if we can recoup some of our investment in him over several seasons.

I can’t see how we’d have any interest in Ben McKay, or the means to get him across.

What does all of that mean for Plowman?  I’d move him to the rookie list as depth and to continue to stiffen up our VFL backline.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #123 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I’d say that they have very different skill sets, although Kemp and McGovern both have the ability to compete in the air with taller opponents, and both can play as forwards if required.  Kemp is harder at the contest and has the step and toe to break the lines.

Marchbank’s go is reading the play and taking intercept marks.  He doesn’t have the physicality of Kemp or the hops of McGovern.

McGovern’s form, and the improvement in our defence when he’s in the mix, provides a solid case for an extension.  I don’t buy the scuttlebut about no other clubs being interested but it seems that his preference is to stay in navy blue … and why wouldn’t that be the case?

Marchbank is a conundrum.  His best footy is very good, but can he stay on the park?  Do we persevere or cut our losses?  I’d be inclined to keep him on to see if we can recoup some of our investment in him over several seasons.

I can’t see how we’d have any interest in Ben McKay, or the means to get him across.

What does all of that mean for Plowman?  I’d move him to the rookie list as depth and to continue to stiffen up our VFL backline.
Ben Mckay is a free agent so its about the money only, it was Cal Twomey from memory who said there was no interest in McGovern from other clubs and he usually gets good info on player movements. Youngs loss of form and physicality has probably garnered some interest in Ben Mckay, there is only Sam Durdin in reserve in terms of tall KP specialists defenders and if we lost Weitering we would be very vulnerable. Im no fan of any mega deals for Ben Mckay and dont rate him highly.
Cant see Plowman being retained, watched him and Marchbank play together a while back and both looked very slow.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #124 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Not a fan of Boyd and I want to see Cowan  in the team and getting experience.
The latter is a good kick too and has more flair and upside. Boyd is a Joe average VFL player imo and I just don't see what others see in him unlike Cowan who I think is a terrific prospect for the future.

Cincotta has Cowan’s spot, not Boyd.

Boyd is a small defender with the speed and agility to go with most small forwards.  He can also compete against taller opponents but he’s in the team because he can drill passes (most of the time) and break the lines.  He also seems to be the sort of annoying defender that opponents like to belt.  If I remember correctly, Toby Greene was one forward who felt the need to belt Boyd … and give us an advantage.

Cowan has had a taste of AFL footy and is thriving in the VFL.  He’s a long term prospect who deserves careful development.  However, it’s pretty clear that our current group of defenders, with Kemp, Cincotta and Boyd, is working more effectively than the defensive rotation we went with earlier in the season.

There’s a lot of water still to flow under the bridge but I think that Curly’s boy has nailed a relatively rare state league selection with Boyd.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #125 –
Quote from: DJC – on
There’s a lot of water still to flow under the bridge but I think that Curly’s boy has nailed a relatively rare state league selection with Boyd.
Yep, got to give Boyd credit, even when things weren't going so well he looked to be improving with every game.

Still has the odd bad disposal, one I recall from last weekend was Barry Crocker, but generally he's above average for our squad and despite his relatively small stature he attacks the footy without hesitation. That is about all we can ask for a small defender.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #126 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Besides his tapwork, his best attribute is his aggression. As good as our big men are, none of them really have any aggression in them naturally. Jack is probably the best of the rest, but Harry, Charlie, Weiters, Young, TDK....don't have that aggression that you want from a big man. Our mids walk taller when Pitto is around.

Do you really believe that?

Pitto is one of the least aggressive big men going around and our midfielders don’t need him to “walk tall”.

We may not have snipers or thugs but we have more than our share of players who don’t take a backward step in the face of opposition aggression and quite a few who don’t mind dishing it out.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #127 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Do you really believe that?

Pitto is one of the least aggressive big men going around and our midfielders don’t need him to “walk tall”.

We may not have snipers or thugs but we have more than our share of players who don’t take a backward step in the face of opposition aggression and quite a few who don’t mind dishing it out.

I think we'll agree to disagree on this one.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #128 –
Pitto and SoJ - The Enforcer Twins! ;D

Mumford and Nankervis must be shaking in their boots, wouldn't want to be them!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #129 –
Quote from: LP – on
Pitto and SoJ - The Enforcer Twins! ;D

Mumford and Nankervis must be shaking in their boots, wouldn't want to be them!
And do you think SOS or Pitto would be scared of those to Muppets? Yeah right.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #130 –
Game has changed, enforcers have been forced out of the game with all the cameras and media scrutiny.
You can't tackle or bump to the extent you could either and it's really a TV game now that has to look good and be free of the old fashioned physicality.
It's becoming more common to see players pull out of contests and a lot of the heavy contact is more accidental than planned and you don't find players evening up with others anymore as it's too costly in terms of free kicks/ easy goals.
Josh Rachele was highlighted for his aggressive reactive actions but it was all fresh air and bravado but zero contact or impact.
Dinosaurs like Mumford our now extinct ...

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #131 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Game has changed, enforcers have been forced out of the game with all the cameras and media scrutiny.
You can't tackle or bump to the extent you could either and it's really a TV game now that has to look good and be free of the old fashioned physicality.
It's becoming more common to see players pull out of contests and a lot of the heavy contact is more accidental than planned and you don't find players evening up with others anymore as it's too costly in terms of free kicks/ easy goals.
Josh Rachele was highlighted for his aggressive reactive actions but it was all fresh air and bravado but zero contact or impact.
Dinosaurs like Mumford our now extinct ...

Nailed it EB; the consequences of thuggery and/or retaliation are too great nowadays and any decent hits are generally the result of very infrequent brain snaps.  It’s also commonplace for players to have friends and family among the opposition.  That wasn’t the case back in the days of the king hits and all in punch ups - although Big Nick and Polly Farmer used to go to the races together after belting the bejesus out of each other 🙄

However, there’s still an element of physical intimidation and looking after your mates.  Weitering was incredibly quick to get to Boyd after Byrne-Jones’ flop had a few of Port’s players agitated.


It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #132 –
But it's apparently still ok to elbow people off the ball
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #133 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
But it's apparently still ok to elbow people off the ball
Dusty is an AFL marquee brand player like Buddy and a few others and the star player discount applies......Witherden got up and continued which always lightens the impact in the eyes of the MRP.
I think there should be penalties for that type of behaviour but star players in most sports get away with that stuff. His mate Cotchin is another name player who thinks he can snipe other players and get away with it as well.
It is ludicrous Boyd gets three for a over zealous tackle at worst and these other name players get nothing for deliberate strikes...no fines, suspended penalties etc...

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #134 –
A lot of fans on here were potting Boyd just a few days ago, now they are complaining he's been rogered!

Personally I'll be very disappointed if the club doesn't appeal, it's not about guilt or innocence, it's about sending a message that we will stick by our players and make sure they are treated justly!

I'm also shocked but not surprised the AFLPA hasn't had something to say about this because it is becoming untenable, but it's all about long term legal liability, there will be lawyers and legal advocates whispering in ears everywhere, beware the future, beware the future. Yet you wouldn't be at all shocked to find the very same lawyers running a civil concussion case in a few years, such is their nature!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"