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Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #75 –
Having watched the replay this morning, even the commentators were astounded by how much the Handbagger Dad's Army get away with, even Dunstall who normally thinks us getting a raw deal is good was inspired to something, before trying to explain it way with an excuse of being kind to the Handbaggers.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #76 –
Quote from: laj – on
Or be clever. Charlie calls "iso" and we kick it to Harry.
Yes, the Handbagger ball use and decision making made us look D-Grade, they picked the open target 9 out of 10 times, and we went to blokes who were outnumbered 3:1.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #77 –
Quote from: LP – on
Having watched the replay this morning, even the commentators were astounded by how much the Handbagger Dad's Army get away with, even Dunstall who normally thinks us getting a raw deal is good was inspired to something, before trying to explain it way with an excuse of being kind to the Handbaggers.
Dunstall only gives us a raw deal when we don't try.
He used to barrack for the blues and very much has a soft spot for us now. If he is critical, you can guarantee we are on here as well. He actually loves the club.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Dunstall only gives us a raw deal when we don't try.
He used to barrack for the blues and very much has a soft spot for us now. If he is critical, you can guarantee we are on here as well. He actually loves the club.
Dunstall publicly stated on one of the footy shows, just last season or the season before, that despite following the Blues as a kid he now hates Carlton.

Even so, love or hate us, his comments about the rub of the umpiring can't be challenged because it's just too obvious. It was so obvious it must be almost embarrassing to some AFL officials.

Like or loath that stuff, opposition club's can't allow it to continue, they have to find a way to bring the Handbagger tactics into focus.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #79 –
The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.

The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.

Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.

I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.

Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #80 –
lack of run and spread how many years have i watched carlton get done in this same manner yet we keep recruiting slow players eg E hollands ,carol 2 latest addition havent got breakaway speed .
 

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #81 –
If anyone had any doubts about Pittonets ruck ability after yesterdays efforts then they don't understand football.

Lets play a game of Pittonet vs .....

Hitouts
Pittonet - 28
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 28

Hitouts to advantage
Pittonet - 7
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 4

Possessions
Pittonet - 19
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 19

Clearances
Pittonet - 11
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 5
vs
Bruhn + Miers = 11 (Geelongs highest 2 clearances winners on the ground yesterday)

TOG
Pittonet - 66%
vs
Blicavs (83%) - Stanley (80%)

Pittonet only played 2/3's of the game, but output the combined tally of both cats rucks (or best mids), so anything we got from TDK was a bonus.
Unfortunately TDK wasn't as good as he was last week, 0.3 instead of 3.0 the biggest difference, but was good enough as a forward target to keep persisting with him as a ruck/forward.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #82 –
Quote from: laj – on
Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.

I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.
I hinted a week or two ago that this sort of loss was coming, we can't keep living on the edge and escaping with close wins, we have to find ways to lock down on opponents and have easier wins or we'll be cooked before the finals.

At times last year we got off to flying starts then faded, this year we are slow out of the blocks but finishing strongly, we need to find a balance. I'd say last year's late season game style was less punishing than this years game style, but we should be better at controlling the footy this year so if we get off to the better start it would be harder for opponents to close the gap.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #83 –
Quote from: LP – on
Dunstall publicly stated on one of the footy shows, just last season or the season before, that despite following the Blues as a kid he now hates Carlton.

Even so, love or hate us, his comments about the rub of the umpiring can't be challenged because it's just too obvious. It was so obvious it must be almost embarrassing to some AFL officials.

Like or loath that stuff, opposition club's can't allow it to continue, they have to find a way to bring the Handbagger tactics into focus.

....and he has also stated that he has a soft spot for Carlton during the same time frame.

On his footy show 'bounce' which is most likely where you heard him say that, he plays a character as much as anything else. Kinda like Sam Newman. When he is more himself, you can see his true feelings come out.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #84 –
Quote from: laj – on
The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.

The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.

Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.

I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.

Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.

We've played 2 of the best teams in the league the last 2 weeks. Played terrible for majority of the last 8 quarters, with half a side not available and come out of it with a 1-1 record and plenty of upside.

We should fear no side.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #85 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We've played 2 of the best teams in the league the last 2 weeks. Played terrible for majority of the last 8 quarters, with half a side not available and come out of it with a 1-1 record and plenty of upside.

We should fear no side.

Once the second half of the season comes, with players back, heading to a peak I believe we handle anyone. If we want it badly enough this year we can certainly win it. It seems we do.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #86 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
....and he has also stated that he has a soft spot for Carlton during the same time frame.
Hmm, maybe, but in particular I'm not so sure the comments in the heat of the moment aren't genuine.

As for having a "soft spot for Carlton", I'll assert it's his and the AFL's purse that has Carlton giving them a thrill, they love the crowds bringing in the dollars!

It's the very same motivation for McGuire, they want us in the race for as long as possible as long as we fall on the last hurdle, Carlton actually winning the race is their nightmare, but maybe not the AFLs!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #87 –
Quote from: laj – on
Once the second half of the season comes, with players back, heading to a peak I believe we handle anyone. If we want it badly enough this year we can certainly win it. It seems we do.

If its one thing Vossy knows its that once you get to finals, everything that comes before means nothing.

The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #88 –
Quote from: LP – on
Hmm, maybe, but in particular I'm not so sure the comments in the heat of the moment aren't genuine.

As for having a "soft spot for Carlton", I'll assert it's his and the AFL's purse that is where a strong Carlton gives them a thrill!

I think you're jumping at shadows again or maybe your tin foil hat is too tight.

I'd love to have Dunstall commentate every game as he favours us more than anyone else.
He even called out Huddo who used 'we' when talking about the Cats....he is a Geelong supporter in case you didn't know.
Kingy was on our side as well.
Moons has an unashamed Cats bias, but still saw we got robbed on a few occasions.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #89 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
Managed two rucks through those seasons to perfection, the media bashed Matthews for bringing Keating in(cold) late in the season, in retrospect it was a master stroke. Recall many in the media thought Keating was cooked and should have retired.

It's basically where Chris Scott learned the Dad's Army system of senior player management.

An aside, ignoring all the other stuff, we should be bitching about Stanley holding, not getting penalised for holding allowed Stanley to reduce the influence of Pitto. A fit Pitto is perfectly suited to the new rules because he's so strong when fit.

Another left field, should we have told TDK to run with Cameron, what do we do if next when we play the Handbaggers, only Rnd 15 not far away, if McGovern is out? The last few seasons Cameron hasn't played as mobile, the ongoing Handbagger weakness in the ruck has forced Cameron up the field reminiscent of his early GWS days. Opponents need to find a way to curtail his influence.

How that umpire penalised Pitto for a hold is bizarre, the umpire was in front of the contest on the side Stanley was holding from, free of obstruction could see Stanley's arm wrapped around Pitto's waist, and pinged Pitto for holding! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"