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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #60
The free kick farce in the first 3 quarters was laughable. I don't remember one of our great tackles being rewarded despite the umpires giving them an eternity to get rid of it. Harry was grappled and scragged in most marking contests too.

Disappointing to let them pinch a few easy goals at the end when a 10 goal percentage booster was there for the taking.

But no real passengers I can think of.

As much as I love Pitto, we do seem to gel a bit better when it's TDK and Harry supporting. At times in the F50 it was Cripps and Kennedy taking the ruck contests too.

Charlie needs to work harder when things aren't going his way. That said, he should've kicked 6 in the end and he did turn it around after half time. It was like Mac Andrew had a beacon on his head in the first half....the number of times we kicked it straight to where he was or on top of the head of our smallest forwards.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #61
Mac Andrew pushed Charlie under the footy a few times no free kick.  Front on contact in a marking contest against us yes, for us....

Look the gc are afl sponsored but I was actually upset at the late square up.  I also thought at the time the way they umpire us might be best for the comp if they umpire everyone that way and that means no tiggy touchwood frees against us too, because I found myself thinking we've given away a few that weren't there and they've only missed a couple they should have paid unless you pay them against us.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #62
I know it may open a can of worms, but we just look better with TDK as the solo ruck, it also allows H to get into the game more in the ruck and around the ground. Not so top heavy. An extra running small is oh so handy. - My concern is that if our ruck gets injured we have no established ruckman to replace him. I would not want to see Harry rucking at centre bounces as it will take him away from his forward role and as LP has mentioned opens him up to PCL injures as well.

Our only lapse was the last 7 or 8 minutes. Huge step re persistence. - Was disappointed as well as percentage will matter.

I saw why Fantasia was chosen over Durdin, narrowly. - An improvement today. Would like to see him hit the scoreboard a bit more.

McGovern so supreme in defense. - Took two absolute specs today. However went off twice during the match and down to the rooms not sure what for but with his injury record was very concerned.

Walshy great but gotta clean up on disposal, handed them possession too many times. - Yesss. Missed Charlie by two meters when he was alone and the ball landed or was marked by Mac some 10 meters behind Charlie. Could of been # 5 for Charlie.

I think we have to live with the fact that Charles is spasmodic, laconic and inconsistent... but when he's on, he's an amazing weapon and turns games. - Yes. Charlie has mentioned that he likes to wrestle with his opponents. I thought Mac was the ideal opponent do do that with today however he never got into much of a wrestle with him. On the lead Mac had the pace and athleticism to go with him and punch the ball clear. Reminds me a bit of a young Dustin Fletcher with those inspector gadget arms of his.

Martin showed what a small forward can doing hanging around H and Charles. Too much talent to be used as a lock down defender. Great opportunistic goal sense. - Martin or Williams?

Cincotta sacrificed his game to play his lock down role really well. - Yes liked his game and seems to be very reliable. Did a great job on Picket a couple weeks a go.

Got a beaut with E Hollands. Just used the aggot so well. - And was used in the midfield more this week. More options and versatility for the team.

Crippa shone. - Say no more. Noticing more that he seems to be running a lot better this year as he is running away from opponents.

To be honest, I wouldn't make any changes for next week. Saady and Fog will be better for the run. Motlop needs another game in the Magoos. Maybe Billy for Jack as the sub. - Yes agreed.

 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #63
The folly of rucking BigH by default was exposed in the commentary when Brown started banging on about TDK going solo.

King rightly came in and described why solo rucking TDK is not sustainable season long, then there was a suggestion to ruck Charlie and King nearly fell out of his chair, and he describe why you don't ruck Charlie ever, and the same applies to overuse of BigH in the ruck, the risk is too high relative to the benefit.

The BigH to the ruck is an occasional pinch hit option, not a default tactic.

If our MC aren't smart enough to make use of Pitto and TDK sensibly, as required, we have an MC problem it's not the players.

Personally, I though the return of Saad and the front and square work of Williams made a huge difference yesterday, and off the back of Cripps and Walsh being dominant things might have got better if Witts had zero respite.

Williams is not scared to get at the feet of the marking contests and it makes a a huge difference. I also note once his confidence was up he got a few runs through the midfield and did well, his critics should take note.

I thought it's laughable that some have suggested GC were an easy kill, Miller, Rowell, Witts, Lukosius, King, Andrew, we destroyed the GC strengths, surely whoever suggested the easy kill was joking.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #64
The folly of rucking BigH by default was exposed in the commentary when Brown started banging on about TDK going solo.

King rightly came in and described why solo rucking TDK is not sustainable season long, then there was a suggestion to ruck Charlie and King nearly fell out of his chair, and he describe why you don't ruck Charlie ever, and the same applies to overuse of BigH in the ruck, the risk is too high relative to the benefit.

The BigH to the ruck is an occasional pinch hit option, not a default tactic.

If our MC aren't smart enough to make use of Pitto and TDK sensibly, as required, we have an MC problem it's not the players.

Personally, I though the return of Saad and the front and square work of Williams made a huge difference yesterday, and off the back of Cripps and Walsh being dominant things might have got better if Witts had zero respite.

Williams is not scared to get at the feet of the marking contests and it makes a a huge difference. I also note once his confidence was up he got a few runs through the midfield and did well, his critics should take note.

I thought it's laughable that some have suggested GC were an easy kill, Miller, Rowell, Witts, Lukosius, King, Andrew, we destroyed the GC strengths, surely whoever suggested the easy kill was joking.
Have a look at the GC away record.....we were on the rebound after being smashed and GC were a ideal opponent to beat up on. Williams played ok but the next games will test him out, where he has to kick goals plus prevent some of the better rebound half backs from being effective players ie Houston and Farrell next game..

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #65
Good  effort.  Small forward kicking goals, who would have thought. Our decision making going forward in the first half was poor.  Makes the opposition defence look good. If we could make good decisions and then deliver the ball then both Charlie and Harry would kick 100 goals. Only one bad decision coming out of defence but we got away with it. O.Hollands had a ripper of a game. Cincotta up forward was an interesting move. Didn't get a lot of the ball but probably shut down Gold Coast's attacking option coming out of defence. Williams was brought to the Club to be a defensive midfielder but kicking goals like Nick Duigan was a bonus. Big game next week.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #66
The folly of rucking BigH by default was exposed in the commentary when Brown started banging on about TDK going solo.

King rightly came in and described why solo rucking TDK is not sustainable season long, then there was a suggestion to ruck Charlie and King nearly fell out of his chair, and he described why you don't ruck Charlie ever, and the same applies to the overuse of BigH in the ruck, the risk is too high relative to the benefit.

The BigH to the ruck is an occasional pinch hit option, not a default tactic.

If our MC aren't smart enough to make use of Pitto and TDK sensibly, as required, we have an MC problem it's not the players.

Personally, I though the return of Saad and the front and square work of Williams made a huge difference yesterday, and off the back of Cripps and Walsh being dominant things might have got better if Witts had zero respite.

Williams is not scared to get at the feet of the marking contests and it makes a huge difference. I also note once his confidence was up he got a few runs through the midfield and did well, his critics should take note.

I thought it's laughable that some have suggested GC were an easy kill, Miller, Rowell, Witts, Lukosius, King, Andrew, we destroyed the GC strengths, surely whoever suggested the easy kill was joking.

Pat, whilst I generally agree, I think GC were a little spent following two weeks in the Top End, plus they do struggle in Victoria. Daniel Hoyne has noted that there are definite improvements in GC's profile (in his much loved "core four" metric), but they are probably not at the point where they can be relied upon week in week out. I was listening to the ABC broadcast, and I'm just relaying what Malthouse, Adam Ramanauskas and the other callers were saying.

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Reply #67
Hard to see Cuningham getting back in ahead of Elijah Hollands.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #68
Pittonet is the one who can't play anywhere else.

Why is TDK expected to be Buddy Franklin when he goes forward?

Not sure anyone has suggested he should be. But he racked up Fantasia/Durdin numbers last week and that is an issue for anyone.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #69
Hard to see Cuningham getting back in ahead of Elijah Hollands.

I'd play him in front of Fantasia.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #70
The folly of rucking BigH by default was exposed in the commentary when Brown started banging on about TDK going solo.

King rightly came in and described why solo rucking TDK is not sustainable season long, then there was a suggestion to ruck Charlie and King nearly fell out of his chair, and he describe why you don't ruck Charlie ever, and the same applies to overuse of BigH in the ruck, the risk is too high relative to the benefit.

The BigH to the ruck is an occasional pinch hit option, not a default tactic.

If our MC aren't smart enough to make use of Pitto and TDK sensibly, as required, we have an MC problem it's not the players.

I'm a bit over the hysteria and dangers of rucking players.

Around the ground, ball ups and throw ins, the rucks are coming at the ball together, starting 1m apart and closing that well before the ball arrives. Risk of injury, basically 0%.

The risk comes at centre bounces. Now we have 1 for every quarter and 1 for every goal. As an example, yesterday we had a total of 30. 15 goals to us, 11 to gold coast, 1 for each quarter.
If we only have 1 ruck, they are basically rucking for 80% of the time. So that would mean your #1 ruck is rucking for basically 24 of that 30, meaning your backup ruck is taking 6 centre bounces. Harry is in more marking contests than that where he can get hurt.
Perhaps we shouldn't play him as a forward in case he gets hurt too??

For those 6 centre bounces, i'd happily tell him not to jump, but rather line up side on (like wing-side of the circle) and come at the ball side on to eliminate any inury risks.

Now the reality is, that after a goal, or at the start of a quarter, your #1 ruck has plenty of time to make it in for the centre bounce and will attend more than the 80% of the centre bounces, making the risk to backup ruck even smaller.

Add to that the fact that our backup ruck will most likely come up against their backup ruck who also doesn't want to get hurt and will try a similar tactic to what i suggested.

So can we give up the chance of injury from backup rucks please?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #71
Another big game next week....isn't it nice to be under the pressure of "big" games regularly after the last twenty years of utter shyte and being a perennial cellar dweller?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #72
TDK tackles and takes marks and restricts opposition from winning quality clearances. He is Kreuzer on steroids except very durable. You can't play talents like that in other positions other than their preferred and most dynamic,

Implying that he must play #1 ruck because he does that and Pittonet doesn't?

Last week Pittonet had 20 touches and 11 clearances. That was better than TDKs best in both touches and clearances before this week....and is still better in clearances after this week......and this was after having surgery during the week as well.

For all this talk about contested marking between the 2 as well.
Pitto averages 0.83 CMs per game this year.
TDK averages 0.7 CMs per game this year.

People constantly overlook what Pitto has given us since returning fit this year.

I don't care who takes the #1 ruck role in the side, i just want it to be the best player available.....and i don't think its clear cut.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #73
Umpiring - I don't want to go there, but the numbers don't lie: we had 3 frees in three quarters of the game. That is just ridiculous.
The delta at half time (4-11 I think) surprised TBH. What shocked me though (and I watched the game from level 2  behind the goals) was them dropping the ball so often in a tackle and the ump calling play on. We couldn't buy a free for that yesterday.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
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2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #74
Where's arnie with the stats of how we go with one ruck vs how we go with 2. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson