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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #30 –
Havent watched, just saw the odd score update., too busy sunning it in Sardegna. Way I see it , we got a good start, fell asleep, looked like getting spanked, lost by a couple. Meh, we played a contender on their dung heap. Shoulda won but didn't, competition is more even than people think. Last I saw we are still 2nd, onto next week.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #31 –
Fans want to assert a KPP on the bench costs us run and costs us wins, but today with 3 lame or semi-lame KPPs on the field we nearly ran over GWS. That's hard evidence that proves we typically have enough run to carry the spare KPP on the bench to cover injuries.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #32 –
A poor loss that should have been a win for us should remind us that there are no easy wins. So far up in the early game and then almost come close to a complete flogging. We better learn from this game. We better learn really quick. Very disappointed with the end result.
This digital world is too much for us insects to understand.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #33 –
Quote from: LP – on
Fans want to assert a KPP on the bench costs us run and costs us wins, but today with 3 lame or semi-lame KPPs on the field we nearly ran over GWS. That's hard evidence that proves we typically have enough run to carry the spare KPP on the bench to cover injuries.

This is about the 4th time you've posted this BS.

Tell me how having Pittonet solved our key defender issues?

You can't.

Let it go.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #34 –
For my own sanity, I have to pretend last night never really happened.

One thing I can’t forget (or forgive) is, NOT A SINGLE COMMENT from the Ch 7 team when Toby punched Cincotta.
Yet let’s scrutinize Walshy head butting the ground over and over and speculate whether he was milking it, but Toby punching someone with a clenched fist  to the guts (in full view of umpire) when they weren’t expecting it? Never happened.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #35 –
Toby will cop a fine for that.
Should cop a week. >:(

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #36 –
I sometimes think it's better to wait until the next day before posting.
With emotions high the analysis usually turns to defending or attacking pet theories or a criticism of fringe players, while ignoring the poor performance of the star players.

There are multiple reasons why we lost.
We can give them a goal for the home ground advantage.
Carlton supporters (surprisingly, because there are many in Sydney) didn't turn up. Contrast that with the 80,000 crowds they've been playing in  front of...and it must have been a strange atmosphere. When we started our move in the last quarter we didn't have that crowd support egging it on.
But that a minor factor.
That's the thing though.
The small factors are the ones that add up.

I always feel uncomfortable when we get out to a huge lead early in a game.
I'd much rather see us kick 8 in the third quarter than 8 in the first.
It was very similar to the Brisbane prelim game last year.
Is it a complacency that sets in, and a feeling that this is going to be an easy night? It’s probably something they are warned against but if players subconsciously think that it’s going to be a 'walk in the park' you’d better be prepared for a momentum change.

“Injuries are no excuse” is a football cliché.
It’s not true. Don’t believe it.
Injuries are probably the most valid excuse for a team’s performance that there can be. It’s cost us multiple coaches.
Weitering’s injury had a massive impact on our structure and although he played on, he was clearly not right for much of the game. There were a couple of rolled ankles in our game against Richmond. Those players played but were they 100%?
 Other injuries at times through the game (DeKoning, McGovern) were also no doubt limiting.

Team selections are being questioned. Hewett should have played and would have been handy. Owies gave us something when he came on fresh, and should probably have also started.  Cottrell may have been better coming back through the VFL.
The old two-ruck chest-nut has reared its head.
We played two last time we played this mob and won.
We played one this time and lost.
Pittonet is in good form and played well in the VFL.
But who would he have replaced.

The decision making was terrible at times with passes to players in a contested or worse position or turning back into trouble and losing the ball. The Williams one was a shocker but there were a few earlier in the game.

Curnow is a concern. I’m still not convinced he isn’t playing injured, because his second efforts are poor. No doubt he is attracting plenty of attention from opposition sides, but his contribution seems to be getting less as the weeks go by. If he’s not injured maybe a change of role for a week or two may benefit him.

Which brings us to coaching. Voss was clearly at a loss to combat the GWS surge. He basically had no answer. Perhaps his options were limited given a number of injuries we weren’t fully aware of, but that’s one of those hidden factors we’ll never know.

The biggest problem for me though was the pressure. When we are ‘on’ it is intense. You don’t need a stat to show it. It’s obvious in the number of players in tackles, the corralling, the forcing of rushed play resulting in turnovers. At times during the second and third quarter GWS was like a knife through butter. It was better in the final quarter but there was still a ‘half-heartedness’ up until it looked like we were a slim chance.

To sum it all up there were multiple reasons contributing to this loss. If you learn from your mistakes the Match Review should be a pretty full-on learning exercise this week.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #37 –
I hate waking up to a loss.
Hang on, I'm a Carlton supporter, so you'd think I'd be use to it ::)
Didn't see the game
Was Owies sub? WTF?
Hewett should be one of our first picked each week.
Cottrell? What were they thinking?

The MC took it too easy and the players are reading too much of their own press.
We are good but need to play our system and still respect other teams.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #38 –
The one ruck model is ok until that bloke is hurt or otherwise ineffective, moreso when there is no viable relief option.

Bewildering MC decisions badly hamstrung us.

One paced and slow midfield and another decent tall defender are things Austin needs to address. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #39 –
Unusual to see two teams score over 100 points given the conditions. The skill level was quite high all things considered, including kicking for goal.

Good to see Harry McKay continuing his kicking accuracy. Charlie had a down night by his standards, but still manages to hit the scoreboard and his kicking into F50 is close to the best in the league IMO. De Koning had his work cut out against an underrated ruckman. Good to see Matt Kennedy moving freely, and I believe there were no injuries resulting from the game. Voss thinks Weitering was just managing a corked thigh.. He also spoke about how the defenders were left exposed by lack of delay on the ball further up the ground. He was very concerned about conceding 70 points from stoppage. GWS was bound to put in a backs-to-the-wall performance sooner or later.

I hope Orazio doesn't end up like Jason Castagna, hounded out of the game by ill informed commentary on social media.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #40 –
Hindsight and all that, and not wanting to fuel the raging debate that seems ongoing but … Pittonet would have given us the luxury of throwing TDK down back. He’s quick to cover ground and a good spoiler. His height, flexibility, and agility might have put Hogan “off”.
Plus, he’s at his best when he ‘halves’ or negates the hit outs and then pounces on the ball at his feet. Not so good against stronger rucks who hold him out then thump the ball metres out of range where even he (TDK) can’t follow up.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #41 –
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on
For my own sanity, I have to pretend last night never really happened.

One thing I can’t forget (or forgive) is, NOT A SINGLE COMMENT from the Ch 7 team when Toby punched Cincotta.
Yet let’s scrutinize Walshy head butting the ground over and over and speculate whether he was milking it, but Toby punching someone with a clenched fist  to the guts (in full view of umpire) when they weren’t expecting it? Never happened.

I know it's not an easy skill to learn but Carlton supporters must learn to mute the tv commentary. If they're viewing the game with friends, they change tact. That's when singing in your head should be applied, hard and constant.  In the warm up, it helps to have that annoying song on repeat in your headphones. Then, execute as soon as BS starts. We know what we've got to go after. Let's review hard, train that, and get ready for next week 😉
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #42 –
We got ahead of ourselves. Players, coaches, even fans. I was looking at paying over 5k for 2 grand final tickets during the week.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #43 –
The side has two weaknesses. We lack genuine blistering pace. We have introduced more pace into the team recently which has coincided with our improved results but we don't have a lot of line breaking run. Our second weakness is the lack of height in our backline and when the team is losing the contested possession aspect of the game, as what happened last night, and the ball comes into the back line fast and long, and a big forward starts taking marks, we will be in trouble, especially if Weitering is struggling with injury. Our lack of genuine pace means when we don't have the ball and the opposition is implementing their skills and not turning the ball over through skill errors, we struggle to win the ball back.
I thought the players looked comfortable at quarter time which probably led to their lack of intensity around the contest during the next two quarters. While I thought some of our systems broke down during the second and third quarters I don't think we totally folded like we have in the past. It was good we fought the game out.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #44 –
Interesting to hear Adam Kingsley say that in his opinion, Acres and Ollie Hollands are the best wingmen in the AFL.