Carlton Supporters Club

@Lods don't give the timing stuff oxygen, @Thryleon and myself were probably typing at the same time, the initial comments were just a cheap rock throwing deflection tactic.

It's not different from our currently available option, it has the same affect on the bench time you are so precious about.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Further, moving Cincotta and one of McGovern/Kemp out of D50 for McKay reduces our run and carry of the back line, all your shuffles are fast and more aerobic than Ben McKay.

If we had Ben McKay, Kemp and Cowan would be fighting for the same spot.

Cowan plays on smalls
Kemp (and McGovern) plays (or should) on mediums.
.....but could give us another swing option.

It changes the balance of D50, we have less cover for smalls, move Kemp and McGovern out of D50 and you lose one of our key intercept players. You can't have all of them up the ground intercepting, someone has to stay home, and in the absence of injury it won't be two KPDs spend 100% of time on ground, one of them will have to get up the ground, and we'd start from a base of less defensive run and carry.

That would force the Mids to run deeper both ways, that's burning their saved bench time, again you can't have your cake and eat it.

The more KPDs that stay on the ground longer, the more they also have to run and cover ground, you force the blokes with the least aerobic capacity, speed and agility to do more of what they are weakest at!

So maybe Newman, Saad and Boyd can get up the round, until there is the inevitable skill error and turnover, at which time the Titanics are left guarding a Jet Ski.

The total game and bench time doesn't change, it's not an infinite resource.

Defense wasnt the issue, the ball went down there too quickly  and without any pressure, they stacked their team with runners and we couldnt get the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarters as they were hitting every pass , spreading well and were too pacy for our slower onballers  who looked like treacle.
Cripps, Walsh and TDK have to win their positions well for us to control and win games and they didnt.......same thing happened vs the Swans. Thats the Blueprint to beat us and it wont happen often but there are those teams like the Swans and GWS on their own home decks who have the equipment and gamestyle to trouble us.

Do you even know what you are arguing at the moment? You just keep shovelling dirt not realising you are digging yourself deeper.

My proposal is referentially self-consistent, I'm not contradicting my own case like your posts.

You can't have your cake and eat it, you can't have more players on the ground providing less run and still have maximum run and carry no matter what you do with bench time. It's obvious.

Your solution comes at the very cost you have spent weeks maximally arguing against.

My proposal comes at a cost, bench time for Mids will be reduced, but the flexibility it brings is the option to reshuffle and offer cover for unexpected circumstances at both ends of the ground.

Fogarty took plenty of centre bounces. Not sure thats a long term solution but its a thing.

Personally i'd prefer to see Fantasia out and swapped with someone like Cuningham or Motlop as they would be more effective up forward and through the middle.

Of course we still have Hewett hanging around as well.

You can when you are carrying someone every week in Fantasia.

Defense wasnt the issue, the ball went down there too quickly  and without any pressure, they stacked their team with runners and we couldnt get the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarters as they were hitting every pass , spreading well, and were too pacy for our slower onballers  who looked like treacle.
Cripps, Walsh and TDK have to win their positions well for us to control and win games and they didnt.......same thing happened vs the Swans. Thats the Blueprint to beat us and it wont happen often but there are those teams like the Swans and GWS on their own home decks who have the equipment and gamestyle to trouble us.