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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #15
Problem with Lewis Young is you don't know what version you'll get from him. His form from a couple years ago was brilliant. His form since then has been largely terrible.
Picking him might give you cover for an injury if he is playing well.
Picking him might also lose you the game with the amount of goals he leaks if he is not playing well.

Marchbank is more consistent, but there isn't always a matchup for him.
Someone has to pick up Darcy jr who is really tall and the only one with the height close enough to match him is Young especially if there is no Weitering or a half cooked injured version of him. Agree Young is flaky and you dont know what you will get but Marchbank or Kemp are just too short plus one of them will have to pick up Jamara if there is no Weitering.


Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #16
Footy Feed is saying there's a good chance Liam Jones will miss the next 4 weeks.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #17
On last week's 2nd's game:
Marchbank -  did reasonably defensively, but struggled to get the ball. Nowhere near where he can be. I'd be loath to play him.
Lewis Young - after a couple of ordinary weeks, Young stood up against GWS, took a few good marks and got over 20 disposals. His best game for quite a while.
Sam Durdin - did a reasonable job, but not really hurting anyone. 12 disposals. To be honest, Dom Akuei did more intercepting.
Dom Akuei - speak of the devil and Akuei wasn't bad. he did a reasonable job defensively and almost took mark of the year (again), but not a body player and not someone I'd put on someone who might be. I was surprised to see that he had only 8 possessions as he was in the play a fair bit.

That doesn't leave many options for a tall defender. I guess Young was the best performer of this lot, but ...  :o 
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Reply #18
Of the mids from the 2's game:
Cuningham: David stood out. 29 possessions and 8 tackles from a guy who can look a bit casual. Like all of the 2's players, he had a couple of really poor disposals, embarrassingly bad disposals, but also some really good ones. His vision was a step above. He'd be the best bet for someone who played in the 2's.
Lord: the youngster was the thick of things and was pretty good, but he also had some terrible disposals. Not sure he'll get a game this year, but he has a future. 7 clearances, which I liked.
Jack Carroll: No right foot and doesn't pick up his man. Not really quick enough either. But he was decent.
Jaxon Binns: 27 disposals, but didn't hurt that much. His decision making was a bit better this week: he didn't run himself into trouble as much. Puts his body on the line, but doesn't have a lot of body to put on the line.

Cuningham was the best of them: he looked to know what he was doing.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #19
Problem with Lewis Young is you don't know what version you'll get from him. His form from a couple years ago was brilliant. His form since then has been largely terrible.
Picking him might give you cover for an injury if he is playing well.
Picking him might also lose you the game with the amount of goals he leaks if he is not playing well.

Marchbank is more consistent, but there isn't always a matchup for him.
cowan was another who had quite a few moments that cost big time.  He's probably one who could go out without a match up. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #20
cowan was another who had quite a few moments that cost big time.  He's probably one who could go out without a match up. 
I think Cowan would be a potential out too....Id expect O Hollands and Fantasia to survive, I could see Ollie playing on the Dogs Gallagher who is a young newbie inexperienced kid winger and having an easier time of it.

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Reply #21
Cowan and Ollie both came from the same draft and are both still finding their feet somewhat. Ollie seems a step ahead of the 2, but plays a position we have more cover in imo.

Small defenders are scarce.
Docherty is out.
Williams is now a forward.
Cincotta is a tagger now.
We have Boyd and Saad who are more of the blokes you want going up the field disposing. Then you have newman and cowan playing more of a lockdown role. Looking through the rest of the list, and that's about it. Cupboard is bare behind them.

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Reply #22
I think Weightmans potential inclusion this week might determine how we arrange the defense and another small forward in Garcia was one of their better players in the twos so they may have 3-4 smaller types down forward...

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Reply #23
Weitering and TDK are in doubt for this week.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #24
In this part of our cycle we need to play kids but don't have to play them just for the sake of it. Geelong keep their kids in the two's for years before they get a solid run at it. Ollie isn't ready just yet either is Cowan but are both exciting young prospects.
Our best youngster is Kemp that was in 22best22 last year and that's somewhat a solid bench mark to be a regular AFL footballer.
From draft year to 22 years of age thats 4-5 years to make it. So plenty of time for Cowan and Ollie just not ready yet.
Elijah Hollands is a chance to make it this year.

 

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Reply #26
If Jones is out for the Dogs, they might be forced to play Darcy back.

Might be the week to play both Pittonet and TDK?

I'd have Pitto, Hewett and Motlop in this week.....probably Fantasia and Hollands as outs....and Owies into the 22. Not sure who else might miss out.

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Reply #27
"Small defenders are scarce." Don't agree, largely for reasons that you identify in the remainder of your post.
"Docherty is out." True
"Williams is now a forward." Yes, but if we need a small defender more than his current role he can slot back in.
"Cincotta is a tagger now."  Ditto Williams comment.
"We have Boyd and Saad who are more of the blokes you want going up the field disposing. Then you have newman and cowan playing more of a lockdown role." So there's 4 small defenders just there, plus Williams and Cincotta.
"Looking through the rest of the list, and that's about it. Cupboard is bare behind them."  Pretty true, though Billy Wilson looks a likely prospect not quite ready yet, ditto Lord although he is more a mid I could see his determination and defensive nous translating into defence as long as he isn't matched up on someone with pace as he isn't quick.  There's also a few more players who are more naturally suited to other parts of the ground who can be pressganged into service if need be.
Even if you mean quality small defenders are scarce I would disagree.  Saad and Newman are clearly quality.  I am a big fan of Boyd, we should be using his lovely kicking more.  Cincotta was doing a great job as a lockdown defender before getting shifted on-ball.   Williams has shown in the past he can be a weapon of half back, albeit he was badly out of form before being moved forward.  I am a rap for Cowan though he is still young and has some rough edges.  It's not the 1981 brigade (Hunter, Klomp both reigning All-Australians, Doull,, English, and Austin, with G Whitnall in reserve and Harmes and McConville available to shift into defence if needed - the talls being reigning All-Australian Geoff Southby, Woof Perovic, and Tatts Bortolotto with Scott Howell slotting in as a late replacement for Southby in the GF to stand Peter Moore quite effectively and Swan McKay able to swing back if needed.  Any wonder we were in the middle of 3 flags in 4 years?)

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #28
@ianh,

Part of my post which i didn't really include (that i was using to make my arguments) was everyones age.

That is....
The 4 oldest players on are list are...
Newman - 31y5m
Docherty - 30y8m
Saad - 29y11m
Williams - 29y9m

so in a couple years, they may all be gone.
Then we would be left with the following players who will all be 2 years older than their listed age here....
Cincotta - 27y6m
Boyd - 25y9m
Cowan - 19y7m
...and even if you include Billy Wilson - 19y you can see what i'm talking about.

Remove the top 4 from our 'best 22' and suddenly we are in all sorts
We need to ensure we have a couple lockdown players available to go in a couple years time. Cincotta will be 29-30 by then, so its not really a viable option long term either.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #29
@ianh,

Part of my post which i didn't really include (that i was using to make my arguments) was everyones age.

That is....
The 4 oldest players on are list are...
Newman - 31y5m
Docherty - 30y8m
Saad - 29y11m
Williams - 29y9m

so in a couple years, they may all be gone.
Then we would be left with the following players who will all be 2 years older than their listed age here....
Cincotta - 27y6m
Boyd - 25y9m
Cowan - 19y7m
...and even if you include Billy Wilson - 19y you can see what i'm talking about.

Remove the top 4 from our 'best 22' and suddenly we are in all sorts
We need to ensure we have a couple lockdown players available to go in a couple years time. Cincotta will be 29-30 by then, so its not really a viable option long term either.


This is why when there was a but of rage around our drafting of smalls not talls I was less concerned than most.

We need a mixture of everything but the talk our a graders are there for years and even the b graders have time.  It's the under 21 bracket that concerns me the most.

List the top 10 afl players under 21 and not one of them plays for Carlton. 

That's fine but when your rivals to today's flag has them then get a little concerned.  I'm not asking for a raft of talent just one will do.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson