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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #30 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@ianh,

Part of my post which i didn't really include (that i was using to make my arguments) was everyones age.

That is....
The 4 oldest players on are list are...
Newman - 31y5m
Docherty - 30y8m
Saad - 29y11m
Williams - 29y9m

so in a couple years, they may all be gone.
Then we would be left with the following players who will all be 2 years older than their listed age here....
Cincotta - 27y6m
Boyd - 25y9m
Cowan - 19y7m
...and even if you include Billy Wilson - 19y you can see what i'm talking about.

Remove the top 4 from our 'best 22' and suddenly we are in all sorts
We need to ensure we have a couple lockdown players available to go in a couple years time. Cincotta will be 29-30 by then, so its not really a viable option long term either.

Well that is another matter, I was thinking pretty much of the now.  Agree that there isn't a lot in the small defender basket to come through.  Cowan is young and Wilson younger.  One or both of the Camporeale twins might end up running off a back flank.  As we lose the older 4 over the next couple of years we will have the opportunity to bring players in and small defenders aren't the hardest roles to fill through trading.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #31 –
In fairness to all of them, if the mind remains strong, medical technology and sports science is making 31 the new 27!

If they have the will, the utilities have a good 4 or 5 years left, the big blokes maybe even longer!

You can't defeat the accumulation of time, but you can often delay it's impact!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #32 –
Quote from: LP – on
In fairness to all of them, if the mind remains strong, medical technology and sports science is making 31 the new 27!

If they have the will, the utilities have a good 4 or 5 years left, the big blokes maybe even longer!

You can't defeat the accumulation of time, but you can often delay it's impact!

Yes, but those blokes have probably had more injuries than entire lists between them.
Not exactly fresh bodies we are talking about.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #33 –
Marchbank and Pitto in for Fantasia (dropped) and McGovern (injured).
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #34 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Marchbank and Pitto in for Fantasia (dropped) and McGovern (injured).

Still Hewett is listed as an emergency. Surely he can't be right.

Reckon TDK is a 50-50 to play, i'd rest him and remove all doubt.

Sub from.....
Hollands (x2), Owies, Kennedy and Boyd.

Reckon it should be one of the Hollands.

Worth noting too that the emergencies is...
Hewett, Motlop and S. Durdin.

No Lewis Young to be seen.
Surely he must be trade bait. Having your whole backline (and a ruck) under an injury cloud, including 1 out, and you can't crack a spot on the emergencies??

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #35 –
Gees we're skinny for height on our list at both ends. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #36 –
I would really like to see SOS return and a defender in 2025, obvious hole in our list that I think he can fill.
What happened to my old profile?????

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #37 –
Marchbank lol.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #38 –
Fantasia out, hopefully that's the last we see of him.
If he gets another game, it means we are not serious contenders this year.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #39 –
I'd prefer to see Owies into the 22 and Ollie Hollands as the sub this week.....Cottrell can run the other wing. With Fantasia out, and Motlop still out, really only leaves Owies as the genuine small forward. I know Williams, Fogarty and to some extend Elijah Hollands play that role but Owies is our 3rd leading goalkicker by some margin.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #40 –
Our line-up:

B:  [2] Lachlan Cowan,  [23] Jacob Weitering,  [17] Brodie Kemp
HB:  [42] Adam Saad,  [22] Caleb Marchbank,  [24] Nic Newman
C: [46] Matthew Cottrell,  [9] Patrick Cripps,  [13] Blake Acres
HF:  [39] Alex Cincotta,  [30] Charlie Curnow,  [6] Zac Williams
F:  [10] Harry McKay,  [12] Tom De Koning,  [8] Lachie Fogarty
R:  [27] Marc Pittonet,  [18] Sam Walsh,  [5] Adam Cerra
Int:  [37] Jordan Boyd,  [20] Elijah Hollands,  [4] Oliver Hollands,  [7] Matthew Kennedy,  [44] Matthew Owies

Em:  [38] Sam Durdin,  [3] Jesse Motlop,  [29] George Hewett

I am scratching my head, but I often am.
[1] Pitto back is OK: he was very good last week and would be good against English. But, does that suggest Tom de Koning isn't fit? Not sure I'm happy with our ruck backup, because there isn't one. Hopefully Tom is fit and the question becomes moot.
[2] Fantasia out makes sense, but leaving Cottrell in? He clearly need a good run to get form and fitness. I would have done that with the VFL. Hewett is the obvious replacement, but Cuningham also impressed and played a full game.
[3] Ollie H must be on fairly thin ice. He gets pushed out of the way too easily.
[4] Motlop as emergency I can live with. He was pretty quiet but for his goals, but they were pretty good ones. He only really cam alive in the last quarter.
[5] Marchbank in for McGovern: last week Marchbank was decent negatively, but he couldn't buy a possession. And his 3 previous games were worse, to be honest, being beaten by guys not even on an AFL list. Yet he was better than Young? Young hasn't been overly impressive in the VFL, but he hasn't been alone there. He, at least, found plenty of ball last week. Sam Durdin was emergency? Another head scratch, as he's been pretty ordinary of late.
[6] Who to play on Bontempelli? Do we play Cincotta on him? Or do we use Cincotta on Libba or Treloar? Might be a better fit height-wise. I would like to starve all of these guys, as they are the danger players.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #41 –
Pitto dominated the ruck against GWS but really Keefe is no where near it
I thought our best defender was Lewis Young - but Marchy is more a like for like but not sure that VFL game was one of his best in fact rewarding players for bad VFL form doesn't send a good message especially for the likes of Motlop that played pretty well and has for a couple of weeks now.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #42 –
Id expect Keath to come in for the Bulldogs, they cant be serious about playing Khamis at Full back on Charlie.
Reckon TDK will be a late out and Hewett into the lineup. Young was ok last week in the twos and Marchbank just serviceable so I reckon Young is on the way out at seasons end if he cant get a game vs his old mob and with us undersized with Darcy.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #43 –
The “we’re all very clear on our role” mantra combined with a distinct lack of player development across multiple positions during the pre-season is now limiting our match-day flexibility and is keeping a very good player out of the side. Surely Hewett is a better bet than at least a couple of guys in that side in “their role”?

It’s great to know your role, but most of our guys should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time - Cincotta can. Why we haven’t trialled DeKoning at CHB or swapped Curnow and Weitering from time to time is bewildering. This week would be so much easier if it was Pitto in and TDK to CHB rather than Marchbank or Young.


Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #44 –
We have 6 or so weeks to go plus finals. Cripps, Walsh and Kennedy are all performing, Cerra is coming back from a long layoff. The odds are that within that timeframe, one of the above will get an injury or will need a rest. Enter George Hewett. He will get his chance and I'm sure he'll take it with both hands. I feel that we are definitely in 'list management mode' heading to September, a new experience for all. A fresh, motivated George Hewett could do a lot of damage when it counts!