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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #45 –
Cincotta: did a decent job, considering he wasn't in the middle again Bontempelli much. Even he had a couple of crucial kicking errors, although not as many as most. Bontempelli got most of his ball in the middle, which hurt us.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #46 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
2 wins 5 losses with TDK and Pittonet playing. It's over.

While you are helping my argument with that stat, I cannot let it go without pointing out the same thing I pointed out previously.

In the past, we played both it was isn't quality opposition and we were more.likely to lose.
This year it almost seems the opposite. Against the best, we are doing well with 1 ruck
Against mid table types, we are losing with 2 rucks.

That is the difference between this year's stat and previous years stats on the same.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #47 –
3 weeks ago we had our best win in years and we have dropped Hewett who by Voss's own admission did nothing wrong  then today we made Kennedy sub.
What are we doing? 
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #48 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Hewett was dropped for team balance. How's that going?
Agree. I'm for picking your best them play to our strength which is pressure. We'll never be fast. That includes Hewett. When that's up then we are up, including at stoppages and this year, our turnover game. Doesn't matter than how slow we are then. Geelong and Essendon found that out recently. Carlton and the Swans, when in full flight, have been shown to be the only 2 sides that can put on bursts of goals on a very short time. What you can do when your pressure is up. Quite a few times this year we have wrecked sides with 4 to 6 goals in 10-15 minutes. Swans just come off two losses too. Happens to them all.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #49 –
It's not Pitto - it's team composition and balance. We lacked run and putting pressure from high half forwards because we always one big bloke on the bench for half a game that cant do what high half forwards do.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #50 –
Quote from: pinot – on
It's not Pitto - it's team composition and balance. We lacked run and putting pressure from high half forwards because we always one big bloke on the bench for half a game that cant do what high half forwards do.

Yes, there was definitely that. On a basis though of winning/losing per se it would have helped more if Hewitt was out there instead of Pitto. We still only lost the last 2 weeks by just 2 goals (last week no Pitto admittedly)

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #51 –
Losing games by narrow margins against decent teams, when we ourselves are playing poorly, suggests to me that we are thereabouts, and it's more about minor tweaks and adjustments, rather than wholesale, drastic changes.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #52 –
Not to mention I reckon we got the rough end of the stick with some umpiring today.

They gave weightman a goal that was barely high if it was and the umpires were wrong sided to see it.

Poulters arm chop against weiters in red time in quarter 2 was a joke.   The finish outstanding.

Cripps managed to dish it out to someone who spotted up a kick inside 50.  Marked 30 metres out.  They brought it back for a free kick.  Cripps had a shot from about 55 pulled it left.

It wasn't why we lost, it just makes it harder. 

Tactically I thought the dogs played a very compact game and made it tough for us to play through.  They moved as a unit and were able to break our lines too easily whilst we had to move the ball very precisely or rely on dump kicks.

Was interesting to see. 

Beyond that the current holding the ball rules are a mess now.  It's chook lotto.  A couple times players are getting tackled as they take possession.  No arm free holding the ball. 

Credit to the dogs they were able to score every time we got a goal with an instant reply and it just meant we never looked like winning.

We'll need to find a way through that scenario.  Losing Williams is a big loss.  He picked owies out with a 50 metre bullet early from the wing and thats the sort of kicking we needed to pierce the dogs zone today.

Forget the ruck discussion.  Our strength is winning and bash and crash on the inside and we got hammered at it again this week by the dogs.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Forget the ruck discussion.  Our strength is winning and bash and crash on the inside and we got hammered at it again this week by the dogs.
Are we more likely to win the bash and crash when we have 4 midfielders there (with cripps or kennedy rucking) or when we have 3 and a ruck.

Our rucks are half decent with getting clearances themselves, however I'd prefer the other blokes to dish it forward as we are more likely to hit a target that way.

We are handicapping ourself by playing 2 rucks.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #54 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Are we more likely to win the bash and crash when we have 4 midfielders there (with cripps or kennedy rucking) or when we have 3 and a ruck.

Our rucks are half decent with getting clearances themselves, however I'd prefer the other blokes to dish it forward as we are more likely to hit a target that way.

We are handicapping ourself by playing 2 rucks.

Given Melbourne just won easy with no rucks I have to agree.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #55 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Are we more likely to win the bash and crash when we have 4 midfielders there (with cripps or kennedy rucking) or when we have 3 and a ruck.

Our rucks are half decent with getting clearances themselves, however I'd prefer the other blokes to dish it forward as we are more likely to hit a target that way.

We are handicapping ourself by playing 2 rucks.

We've copped 100 points against two weeks running.  That's not a ruck problem that's a system problem.

System not hamstring by rucks.  Weitering needs help, Newman is getting attention and not chopping things off like he did, Kemp is man minding marchbank is a shadow, cowans opponents are getting loose and saad is not accountable.

What we need is another tall who is that dour type who just gets the job done and doesn't need to be a world beater just defensively dour.  Will aid weitering to get back to chopping the play off because our opposition stopped him by blocking his run at the ball drop and the umps let it go all day.

That and the fact that we were often under so much pressure in the middle it made life rough.

@Iaj, I'm not sure a wet night at the G is comparable to a dry deck at marvel.  Composure cost us more.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #56 –
Also have a listen to voss press conference.  Second time I've heard him speak where he sounds like he has something nasally going on.  I'd wager there are some health concerns running through the club because we seem a little flat and I've noted players on their haunches a lit.  Wonder if perhaps a little covid flare up hasn't occurred.   Would explain the strange selection as well as the fact we've dropped back to not being able to run out games quite suddenly.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on

Forget the ruck discussion.  Our strength is winning and bash and crash on the inside and we got hammered at it again this week by the dogs.
Yep, we lost within 2m or 3m of the contest, the outside run wasn't part of it, we had more football than the Dogs.

Our fumbles and wasted footy returned, and it burned us badly, we missed basic targets by hand and foot and when we do that we are out of position. It won't matter what team we select. Fans want to blame other things, but that just leaves the door open for excuses.

We probably had as strong of a team as we've fielded all season, but it's not a team that is in good form, quite the opposite.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #58 –
There are consistent calls for Cuningham to be brought into the side when fit.  But wouldn't he be in the same league as Fantasia?

He has shown that he has the skills to succeed but has he ever put in four quarters ?  My impression is that he has never given us more than one or two quarters in a game before disappearing, and that is what caused him to be dropped prior to getting his current injury.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
What we need is another tall who is that dour type who just gets the job done and doesn't need to be a world beater just defensively dour.  Will aid weitering to get back to chopping the play off because our opposition stopped him by blocking his run at the ball drop and the umps let it go all day.
We missed McGovern badly, Marchbank came in the from cold, but he's not the same aggressive ball user that McGovern is, we have very few that can cut those lines.

@Thryleon Watching the replay, we get first hands on the ball many many times and basically hand the footy over, this is where stats and disposals counts can be misleading. You said composure or the lack of it, it really showed.

You might be onto something about the health or mindset, I have to wonder if a few players have started to focus on finals, and the injuries and events last week might have scared a few. They have gone a bit "safe", and it's become costly!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"