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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #60 –
That changed years ago.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #61 –
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I really hate Clarkson and his thug teams: Tom de Koning to miss with a broken foot and a punctured lung.  :'(  >:(  >:(  >:(
So have they found the moment it happened? And the foot thingy too?
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #62 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
That changed years ago.
There was an exception during COVID, but as far as I can tell the terms returned to normal for last season, I can't find any info about the 2024.

I'm sure a change does eventually kick in, but I thought it's a few years from now.

The actually original agreement with the MCC was in place with an expiry date of 2035, but I believe the MCC made concessions to bring that forward so that they could alter schedules around the World Cup Cricket. I think  AFL tried to leverage WA to get a better MCC deal, you might recall the noise from Basil earlier this season, but I also read it looked like the MCC agreement might actually be extended, since then nothing official as far as I know.

Even so, it remains discretionary under AFL powers.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #63 –
No it changed. The MCG is only guaranteed the Grand Final which is locked in for another 30+ years.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #64 –
The contract requires ten finals (excluding Grand Finals) to be played at the MCG every five years.  It's entirely possible for there to be no games at the MCG for at least two of the finals weekends.

The higher we finish, the better chance we have.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #65 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The contract requires ten finals (excluding Grand Finals) to be played at the MCG every five years.  It's entirely possible for there to be no games at the MCG for at least two of the finals weekends.

The higher we finish, the better chance we have.
So from last year?

For reference there were 5 in total excluding the GF last year, despite four interstate teams making the finals in 2023, 3 in the 1st week, one Semi and one Prelim, the only away game week 1 was Brisbane because they finished 2nd and the Filth were top, and obviously Brisbane got the Prelim finishing above us.

After week 1, there are only four possible games excluding the GF, two semis and two prelims.

As the ladder currently stands, with five interstate teams currently in the 8, the options to fill The G are slim. You would expect the Swans to get one home final, and probably one out of Port, GWS or Freo subject to final positions. I think it's highly unlikely they send Carlton interstate if we finish anywhere in the top 3, and even less likely they give CheatsFC a home final for finishing below GWS, Port or Freo, especially so if the Filth fail to make the grade.

I realise it's not impossible, but it remains discretionary to the AFL decision makers, the AFL will want to fill The G.

This must be a nightmare scenario for the AFL executive, could you imagine both CheatsFC and Carlton sent packing in week 1, they might as well move the finals interstate then because The G would be a relative graveyard!
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #66 –
Quote from: LP – on
So from last year?

For reference there were 5 in total excluding the GF last year, despite four instate teams making the finals, 3 in the 1st week, one Semi and one Prelim, the only away game week 1 was Brisbane because they finished 2nd and the Filth were top, and obviously Brisbane got the Prelim finishing above us.

After week 1, there are only four possible games excluding the GF, two semis and two prelims.

As the ladder currently stands, you would expect the Swans to get one home final, and probably one out of Port, GWS or Freo subject to final positions. I think it's highly unlikely they send Carlton interstate if we finish anywhere in the top 3, and even less likely they give CheatsFC a home final for finishing below GWS, Port or Freo, especially so if the Filth fail to make the grade.

I realise it's not impossible, but it remains discretionary to the AFL decision makers, the AFL will want to fill The G.
lp

It's as simple as.   The 1st team will play home vs the 4th team.  The 2nd team will play home vs the 3rd team.

The same is true of 5th vs 8th and 6th vs 7th.

You can put hypotheticals around it, but if the season was called and we 3rd instead of 2nd, the G will host Geelongs game vs Port and that's that. 

The 8 isn't set but I can only see essendon or Port falling out in favour of the doggies, hawthorn or Melbourne at this stage which generally means it won't be us at the G if we don't finish top 2.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
lp

It's as simple as.  The 1st team will play home vs the 4th team.  The 2nd team will play home vs the 3rd team.

The same is true of 5th vs 8th and 6th vs 7th.
That's what we expect, we get that the Home State advantage goes to higher finishing teams.

But the AFL has always stated it always reserves the right to schedule finals where it sees fit, there are no guarantees, and if we end up with five interstate teams in the Top 8, I suspect you'll see an exception this year given the right circumstances.

I can't recall the full spread of ticket pricing for finals last year, I wonder what the average might be, I suspect an average in the $100+ range for finals given the lower cost tickets are limited in total. I know for the GF the basic 2023 ticket was $185.

The Gabba holds 42K, SCG 48K, but the MCG is 100K, and likely a sell out for either Carlton or CheatsFC. The AFL would be shooting itself in the foot if it shipped Carlton and / or CheatsFC interstate.

I'm betting the AFL likes the money, and you'll get some spin on why a team doesn't get a home final. I don't think that assertion is outlandish or a surprise to anyone. AFL is a business, we've seen before when the sport gets in the way of business the sport loses.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #68 –
Quote from: LP – on
That's what we expect, we get that the Home State advantage goes to higher finishing teams.

But the AFL has always stated it always reserves the right to schedule finals where it sees fit, there are no guarantees, and if we end up with five interstate teams in the Top 8, I suspect you'll see an exception this year given the right circumstances.

You've asked the same question 5 different ways. The answer has been the same each time.

Home team will get the home final.

Yes, 'discretionary' powers exist so that if something burns down, or covid happens etc it can move things. But 999 times out of 1000, it is the way it is and thats that.

Number of interstate teams making finals means nothing.

The AFL opted to extend the GF agreement with the MCC which sacrificed the requirement to have games there each week of the finals.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #69 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
lp

It's as simple as.   The 1st team will play home vs the 4th team.  The 2nd team will play home vs the 3rd team.

The same is true of 5th vs 8th and 6th vs 7th.

You can put hypotheticals around it, but if the season was called and we 3rd instead of 2nd, the G will host Geelongs game vs Port and that's that. 

The 8 isn't set but I can only see essendon or Port falling out in favour of the doggies, hawthorn or Melbourne at this stage which generally means it won't be us at the G if we don't finish top 2.

That's the bottom line Thry.

If there are four Victorian teams at 1, 2, 5 and 6, we get four games at the MCG.  If, for whatever reason, games have to be played on the same day, it can be MCG and Docklands, or Kardinia Park if Geelong is one of those teams.  If interstate teams finish at 1, 2, 5 and 6, there'll be no game in Melbourne in the first week of the finals, unless there's an issue with venue availability.  The AFL has finals contracts with the major interstate stadiums so if the Suns were entitled to a home final, it would be at the Gabba rather than Carrara.  Similarly, GWS would play at the SCG rather than Homebush. 

The only time the AFL could exercise "discretion" with "home games" is if the ten games in five seasons requirement wasn't going to be met - and that's a rolling five years.  I suspect that the AFL and MCC would negotiate a compromise rather that robbing an interstate team of their home final.  As there were five MCG finals in 2023, the AFL only has to have another five finals there by 2027.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #70 –
Could you imagine the outcry if we finished third and Brisbane finished 2nd and the AFL said we'll play it at the MCG.

The Brisbane club and fans would be up in arms.
But so would every other team in contention.
We need to finish in the top 2
And with 2 games and a huge percentage between us and the Swans...that kinda narrows it down to one spot in particular.
No 2
If we don't finish second, chances are we'll be travelling somewhere not close.
 

Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #71 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Could you imagine the outcry if we finished third and Brisbane finished 2nd and the AFL said we'll play it at the MCG.

The Brisbane club and fans would be up in arms.
But so would every other team in contention.
We need to finish in the top 2
And with 2 games and a huge percentage between us and the Swans...that kinda narrows it down to one spot in particular.
No 2
If we don't finish second, chances are we'll be travelling somewhere not close.

This is exactly why our remaining games are so critical even though we have so many injuries to cover.  With GWS, Freo, Brisbane, and Port breathing down our necks, we don’t want any finals games in their home territory. We saw what happened last year when we had to travel to Brisbane for the preliminary final. That didn’t end well at all. We need to be careful of Hawthorn. They have found some real form. Some real belief and confidence. I hope we beat Port with a real short break. Not enough rest time after the encounter against North Melbourne. We can only hope as anything is possible this end of the season.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #72 –
Some flog from Geelong I think it was was snipping about "too much whinging" (although it seems legit when Dangerflog does it) but apparently we've made a phonecall to galactic headquarters about the treatment players like TdK received on Sunday without receiving any frees. 

A few us have noted over the years that our crew receive extra "treatment" from certain sides, yet we have so rarely pushed back.  In the past a well-placed knee into Mr Xerri's short ribs on the return encounter might encourage him to play in play in a more sportsmanlike manner.  Because it's the law of the jungle once you cross that line, especially in finals.
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Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #73 –
Teams that play on a Sunday night should never play on a Friday night.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
A few us have noted over the years that our crew receive extra "treatment" from certain sides, yet we have so rarely pushed back.  In the past a well-placed knee into Mr Xerri's short ribs on the return encounter might encourage him to play in play in a more sportsmanlike manner.  Because it's the law of the jungle once you cross that line, especially in finals.
Yep, sometimes wearing a penalty is the only way to avoid the pain.

Nobody said AFL had to be fair, some teams and coaches dine out on that fact.
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