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Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #60

Or 2023 in reverse.
Still we'd probably rather have these issues now, than in 4-5 weeks time.

We have probably gone as far as we can go with the dodgy form though.
It's no longer comfortable.
It has to be continuing improvement from here on, and entering the finals in reasonable shape injury wise, in a good ladder position and with momentum.

Failure to meet any of those criteria and we're  cactus.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #61
After thirty years of shyte I finally saw this club perform and take some big scalps this year, but it handed any respect it had earnt with a lacklustre month.  How you can play one quarter of premiership level football then vanish staggers me. 

We've got serious structural holes, lack pace and the answers aren't in the twos.  We're not young either.  We're a side built around a few stars, a few capable journeymen and a lot of very average players.  And injuries have totally rogered us, from careers, development and contributing to a lack of continuity, resulting in blokes like MacG, Cerra and Cottrell playing in such a mediocre fashion.  Not this year people....and dare I say it, not with this group.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #62
Martin matchbank cunningham all can play but they are fragile and completely unreliable. All 3 have to be delisted at years end. We need to put a line through them and move on. Given more the enough time to try and get them going and they just keep breaking down. They are all cooked.
Add ZW to that list too..

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #63
What brainiac scheduled us last on a Sunday, then Friday night?  Don't see how that was ever a level playing field.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #64
Goodness me, what a load of chicken littles.

Port are good enough to beat pretty much anyone, they had an extra day break, and we had a few too many walk up starts way down on output and to go with it, the umpires rogered us beautifully with quite a few decisions which actually put port in front.

Yes, we should have been able to hold on, but we were dump kicking long to no one.

Kemp did swing forward when young went back, but the ball didn't go near him and then pittonet disappeared and young was required in the ruck.

Acres, tdk and McKay are massive upgrades over what we put out particularly acres running power and height. 

Regarding talls, the balance wasn't wrong, we couldn't run out the game anyway.  There ends that lesson.  Our run isn't hampered by height its hampered by too many underdone smalls who don't give us 4 quarters of effort.

I generally agree Thry. As disappointing as last night surely was, when you take into account all the factors (injuries, form, short turnaround, Port's excellent record at Marvel and also Friday nights etc.) it was always a 50/50 game IMO. We weren't blown out of the water. It was a 2 goal loss.

I'm not sure where this idea arises that Port are garbage. They are in the mix for finals this year, and they've made finals most seasons under Hinkley.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #65
I generally agree Thry. As disappointing as last night surely was, when you take into account all the factors (injuries, form, short turnaround, Port's excellent record at Marvel and also Friday nights etc.) it was always a 50/50 game IMO. We weren't blown out of the water. It was a 2 goal loss.

I'm not sure where this idea arises that Port are garbage. They are in the mix for finals this year, and they've made finals most seasons under Hinkley.
last I checked they're equal second, we've knocked them off once this season already and this was the square up from that.  We'll beat Collingwood next week and everything will be awesome and we'll be flag favourites again. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #66
last I checked they're equal second, we've knocked them off once this season already and this was the square up from that.  We'll beat Collingwood next week and everything will be awesome and we'll be flag favourites again. 

I don't feel confident in making predictions. This season is so tight and tough, every game IMO is hard fought. You can see all the top teams this year have patches of both good and poor form. Hopefully we can bounce back and make finals. Unlike others, I'm not worried about top 2 or top 4.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #67
Voting link please? No, not that one, this one:

a) team virus
b) training load
c) injuries
d) scheduling
e) venue
f) umpires
g) coach
h) crapeness

In other news - is Walshy the most “caught” player in the league?
Keyboard warrior #24601

 

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #68
Facts: 1st, 3rd and 4th qtrs yielded 2 goals.
Once the inevitable happened - Port increasing pressure, yes we were able to absorb it but lost boldness, creativity and offensive bite/too many blokes went into their shells and became reactive and safe, Ollie was and is a good example of this, under serious pressure, too many mistakes, fumbles and panicky disposals.
Hamstrung by the realities of injuries to key personnel - H/TDK/Blacres in particular.

Possible MC and coaching errors:
Just because L Young is 200+ cms tall, it doesn't mean he's a viable or obvious replacement for H - though I do get tall for tall. I wonder how many of us thought that when we learned of H's illness that Kemp would have been the obvious replacement up forward and Young down back on the out of form Dixon to free up Weiters for a more creative role? (2nd ruck duties to mids, to simply provide a contest and get the aggott on the grass).
Cerra a HBFer? Nuh. And we all know it. He's a midfielder, FFS.

Persistent issues:
Inconsistency in games and week to week.
Sh*t the bed when the real heat comes.
MC conservative, odd and safe selections.
Walsh trying to do too much, FFS Walshy use your possessions to bring team mates into the game rather than trying to do it all yourself.

So why am I still optimistic?
Trust in Cook, Voss & Crippa.
Imminent return of H & Blacres.
Our side does have character, a strong culture and a great core group.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #69
In other news - is Walshy the most “caught” player in the league?

It's noticeable
Stats may tell otherwise but he seems to be often caught in holding the ball situations.

Has he been more affected by the change to the HTB interpretation than others.
Is he holding back a bit  trying to ensure a better disposal...rather than the quick release.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #70
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-blues-power-lock-horns-in-blockbuster-as-finals-race-heats-up/news-story/a5fa6df4a47be09fe77eeac294b75f40

Hopefully Ollie Wines' game isn't overlooked :

Former Brownlow Medallist Ollie Wines was immense in the middle of the ground with 26 touches and nine goals,

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #71
Facts: 1st, 3rd and 4th qtrs yielded 2 goals.
Once the inevitable happened - Port increasing pressure, yes we were able to absorb it but lost boldness, creativity and offensive bite/too many blokes went into their shells and became reactive and safe, Ollie was and is a good example of this, under serious pressure, too many mistakes, fumbles and panicky disposals.
Hamstrung by the realities of injuries to key personnel - H/TDK/Blacres in particular.

Possible MC and coaching errors:
Just because L Young is 200+ cms tall, it doesn't mean he's a viable or obvious replacement for H - though I do get tall for tall. I wonder how many of us thought that when we learned of H's illness that Kemp would have been the obvious replacement up forward and Young down back on the out of form Dixon to free up Weiters for a more creative role? (2nd ruck duties to mids, to simply provide a contest and get the aggott on the grass).
Cerra a HBFer? Nuh. And we all know it. He's a midfielder, FFS.

Persistent issues:
Inconsistency in games and week to week.
Sh*t the bed when the real heat comes.
MC conservative, odd and safe selections.
Walsh trying to do too much, FFS Walshy use your possessions to bring team mates into the game rather than trying to do it all yourself.

So why am I still optimistic?
Trust in Cook, Voss & Crippa.
Imminent return of H & Blacres.
Our side does have character, a strong culture and a great core group.

In Young's case it was more to 2nd ruck.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #72
I'm done with Young and would prioritize Lemmey. The former was terrible last night and you would get more of a contest at a nursing home bingo night than we got from Young.


Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #74
I'm done with Young and would prioritize Lemmey. The former was terrible last night and you would get more of a contest at a nursing home bingo night than we got from Young.

I'd think about Lemmey as well. Right now we have blokes playing that have missed pre season and missed a chunk of the season. That includes Walsh, who is looking tired. We are playing premiership footy for a qtr then are cooked. We can't play more than a qtr right now. Just don't see why Cottell plays. Why bring him straight back after injury. Binns must come in, fresh and can go all day.