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Re: Track and Field

Reply #105 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make is Thry.
If you have a look at our National  Track and Field records there are many that date back to the early 2000s, 1990's and even 1980s. (Darren Clark 400m, Ken Lorraway Triple Jump, Debbie Flintoff 400H)
Boyle's former under 20 100metre record was set at altitude (Mexico), so breaking it was long overdue.

Advances in training methods (loading, periodization, nutrition et) in most sports mean we are producing bigger, stronger, fitter athletes.
Its probably more apparent in a sport like AFL.
If our current team, even missing a few, went up against one of our premiership teams from the seventies or eighties it would be a slaughter.
The current side would run them ragged and hit them with a pressure game they couldn't withstand.





I just responded to kruddler (in agreement with the chinese swim team point), and then there was an attempt to correct me based on flaky stuff.

Sure, training techniques and all that.   There is a limit to that stuff though.

We should likely have plateued 10 years ago, but without fail, countries seem to find a generation of young and upcoming stars in all disciplines, just in time to host a major event (which puts more local bums on seats).

It could be that funding is better leading into hosting an event, it could be a coincidence, or it could simply be that there is an element of PED use (could be legal or not) and we wont know those answers for sure.

A few other points have tried to discredit, but I suspect that the conditions on the day are more conducive to the historic records standing than other things.




"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Track and Field

Reply #106 –
I think we're still well off the limits of what men and women can achieve.

In some track and field events improved technology plays a part.
The poles that  vaulters use in the pole vault (fibreglass and carbon fibre) give a great more advantage than the bamboo amd metal poles of the past.
Nutrition and sports medicine are improving all the time.

I don't think the funding for the games in Brisbane would be impacting this far out.

And PED use is not the factor it was in the days of the Eastern Bloc and select Western nations (and even a few Australians ;) ) in the 1970s and 1980s.

There are some records on the World list that shouldn't be there due to PED use, but at the time they got through.

Marita Koch (400m) holds the world record with 47.60 set in Canberra in 1985
We rate Cathy Freemans run in the Sydney Olympics (we hope and believe it was clean) but she was more than a second behind Koch's time which has never been beaten.

Women's Long Jump, Discus, Shot, Heptathlon world records were all set in the 1980's

And then there was Flo Jo in the 100 and 200, 1988 records that still elude some fantastic runners.

Men are a little better, but there are still plenty of records set in the 1990s that still stand.

You can never say for certain, and if someone popped up positive at the moment it wouldn't be a huge surprise, but widespread and systematic use, probably not.
I really do doubt what we're seeing is performance enhanced, especially with the teenage athletes.

Re: Track and Field

Reply #107 –
Just in terms of technology.
I've heard that they had to 'handicap' the javelin because with technology people would be outthrowing the field to the point it would hit the track, so they weighted them down.

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Reply #108 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Just in terms of technology.
I've heard that they had to 'handicap' the javelin because with technology people would be outthrowing the field to the point it would hit the track, so they weighted them down.

Yep
When Uwe Hohn set the World record in 1984 he threw 104.8 metres.
There was a danger of it hitting someone at the other end of the stadium.
At the same time there was increasing issues with many throws being called foul because the tip hadn't landed first.
It's always been a bit of an issue and even to trained officials it was sometimes hard to judge.

What they did was make some alterations to the centre of balance, so the Javelin (heavier now  in the forward half) came over more quickly resulting in shorter distances, and landing point first more often.
New records were established with the new specs, and old Javelins could no longer be used.

It was very annoying at the time. I suddenly had four obsolete Javelins. >:(


Re: Track and Field

Reply #110 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Wind doping :D

https://www.news.com.au/sport/olympics/matt-denny-at-centre-of-wind-doping-claim-after-setting-oceania-discus-record/news-story/4167b44648435d6ec7f34a286b00e3bc?utm_campaign=EditorialSB&utm_source=news.com.au%20Sport&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_content=SocialBakers

Good luck trying to regulate that one...
 ;)
Does that start with a All Inclusive Unlimited Buffet at the local Curry Shop?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Track and Field

Reply #111 –
Kennedy and Gout both win their heats at Stawell.
Kennedy looked much smoother in his race, although once Gout hit his stride he looked good

The handicap nature of the event means both aren't assured of even making the finals.
There's only a matter of tenths between most of the heat winners, but times are pretty irrelevant as efforts varied with each race as did the assisting winds

The fastest qualifier with a 12.13 was John Evans, who started from 9.75m
He might be worth a shilling bet.

Jack Hale was also impressive in his heat.

Semis will give us a better idea on Monday.

Re: Track and Field

Reply #112 –
Check this out......


OMG 

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Track and Field

Reply #113 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Check this out......


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Insane!
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Track and Field

Reply #114 –
Sign him up 8)  8)
 

Re: Track and Field

Reply #115 –
Quote from: Slowhand – on
Sign him up 8)  8)
Too fast for our side.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Track and Field

Reply #116 –
Gout, Kennedy and Hale all miss the final
Couldn't quite beat the handicaps

(The weather was pretty crap too with some heavy showers around semi time.)

I'll be hoping for Mitch O'Neill who is a member of my old club in the final.

Re: Track and Field

Reply #117 –
Bree  (Masters) Rizzo  wins the womens gift off scratch ;D

Re: Track and Field

Reply #118 –
John Evans wins the gift.