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Would have made quite a difference  win or lose. Some pace and run from blokes 100% fit would not have seen a 60 to nil start. We had blokes underdone and half fit that, for that reason, couldn't get into the game when it was hot. Fit blokes make a big difference. You have been following footy long enough to know that, surely.

Not if we start with the pissweak intensity we started with last night.

A few different blokes might have a different intensity, win or lose. At least they'd be fit enough to compete when the game was hot. Would not have been a 60-0 start.

There's a few on here who defended the team selection and still trying too. Hate to say it, it was a huge error. Hawthorn showed what youngsters can do in a final.

So lets take out the worst -Williams, Durdin, Motlop and Ollie Hollands.

Substitute them with Lord, Moir, Binns and Cincotta.

Do we win?

Maybe our mistake wasn't so much not playing some of these youngsters last night....but not giving them more game time through the year.
The Hawthorn youngsters have been given lots of opportunities through the season...often against tougher opposition than  Lord (albeit only half a year) , Moir and Binns have experienced.

The Hawthorn mob are growing together and are ready to take on the challenge of finals.

Binns should really have a lot more than 3 games (one as sub) already.
Others like Lemmey should have at least been blooded.

The kids settled OK in the final couple of H&A games but finals are different.
We'll never know how they would have gone now, but it was probably as big a risk as playing underdone players...and the result may not have been much different.

Do you really believe those changes would have made the difference in what was a smacking before our opposition clearly took the foot off our throat with nothing to gain. Its possible those changes see us lose by even more with the kids being scarred by a 15- 20 goal loss? Just because we will never know doesn't imply they are correct selections. The club needed to risk all to have any chance and when that fails of course you can argue what if they did this or that but the reality is we entered the finals in poor health and regardless who we picked as sub or at MC in this game we were cooked before the ball was bounced.

We need to be very active in the offseason and make a few ballsy decisions to improve on this year

Walsh was on the boundary line in the latter stages of the match.

You are identifying an effect not a cause.

Focus on the reason why Walsh had almost 10km up 5 min into the 3rd-Qtr, that's a whole game of running for most players, and why Zorko was top of the pops in the first half.

If every man and his dog can see it before it happens then perhaps it's worth looking into.

No it's a decision made at one moment.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Wear the contact, take it out of bounds.

The assertion people saw this coming is bullsh1t, nobody saw the once in a 50 year event coming, we were 180 seconds away from something that's never happened before in the history of VFL/AFL and nobody predicted it.

I thought that we would get smashed.

The assertion people saw this coming is bullsh1t, nobody saw the once in a 50 year event coming, we were 180 seconds away from something that's never happened before in the history of VFL/AFL and nobody predicted it.

Nobody, not a single soul, predicted we would be about 180s from half-time and scoreless.

In hindsight, we might have been better off remaining scoreless to halftime, at least that record might expose some reality.