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Reply #105 –
Could we see cripps do a kouta as he gets on?

Sure, he's a in and under mid, but could we play him as a chb/chf, for a half then push him in ball second half to change the game ala kouta?

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Reply #106 –
Cripps isn't the same contested mark that Kouta was, it's a big part of the KPP role.
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Reply #107 –
Heard Eddie McGuire on the radio this morning - they asked him whether the Brownlow should be changed and he said no it’s the umpires award. They said should the umps be given the stat sheets and he said no because even with the stat sheets it shows the midfielders get most of the ball. He then went on to mention a show on tomorrow and said they’ll have Bont Cripps and Daicos - coaches winner, players winner and umpires winner.

He was actually quite good.

I can almost guarantee if Daicos hadve won with those votes there would only be headlines of HOW GOOD IS HE!? RECORD BREAKING SUPERSTAR. The media is garbage.

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Reply #108 –
The coaches and umpires pretty much came up with the same result. Daicos just pipped Cripps.

The players award is actually the most flawed. They just pick who they think is best.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #109 –
You can't go past the Lou Richards Medal for giving the best result. ;)  :D ...this year.

(although that's a mid-fielders award too.)

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Reply #110 –
Quote from: LP – on
Cripps isn't the same contested mark that Kouta was, it's a big part of the KPP role.

Crippa doesn’t have the athleticism that enabled Kouta to excel wherever he was played.

An occasional spell as a forward keeps the opposition on their toes and often leads to a bonus goal or two.  That should be the extent of Crippa’s multi-tasking.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #111 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Crippa doesn’t have the athleticism that enabled Kouta to excel wherever he was played.

An occasional spell as a forward keeps the opposition on their toes and often leads to a bonus goal or two.  That should be the extent of Crippa’s multi-tasking.
Yes, this is true.

But if fairness to Cripps, back in Kouta's time a tug on a jumper was a free kick, he could barge in and pick up the pill one handed at full flight largely untouched excluding riding bumps. The way the game is currently umpired Cripps is being dry humped before he even starts to move and nothing happens about it!

You wouldn't want to live on the difference between these two, it would be a knife edge.

How lucky are we, we've had two like that, most club's have never even had one!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Crippa doesn’t have the athleticism that enabled Kouta to excel wherever he was played.

An occasional spell as a forward keeps the opposition on their toes and often leads to a bonus goal or two.  That should be the extent of Crippa’s multi-tasking.
I'm going to open a can of worms here by suggesting that Kouta, as good as his was, is not in the same league as Cripps.  Kouta had the benefit of playing in a very strong team in his first 6-7 years as he learned the craft, while Cripps has had this team on his shoulders since 2016. 

If (and it's a very hopeful if) Cripps ever gets to hoist the premiership cup aloft, he may well assume the mantle of this club's greatest ever player and captain (and I've pretty much seen them all since the late '60s...).
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #113 –
I agree tonyo.

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Reply #114 –
I'm happy with my assessment of the minimal difference, Kouta doesn't need distant time for his legend to grow, Lethal called Kouta the best he'd ever seen, I'm not sure about that, Lethal himself was pretty good the best I have seen in the middle. But I think Lethal phrased that in terms of play anywhere do anything, that is perhaps where Kouta has an advantage in utility over Cripps.

Was Kouta a better inside Mid than Cripps, I doubt it, I think Cripps is 2nd only to Diesel in that regard with the rest a long long way off.

I'm not sure being the best player makes you the best leader, I think there have been some outstanding captains who were good ordinary players, and I think there have been magnificent leaders who were not captain material.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #115 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
I'm going to open a can of worms here by suggesting that Kouta, as good as his was, is not in the same league as Cripps.  Kouta had the benefit of playing in a very strong team in his first 6-7 years as he learned the craft, while Cripps has had this team on his shoulders since 2016. 

If (and it's a very hopeful if) Cripps ever gets to hoist the premiership cup aloft, he may well assume the mantle of this club's greatest ever player and captain (and I've pretty much seen them all since the late '60s...).

It’s a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

Kouta’s great attribute was his athleticism.  He has often said that he could run off any taller opponent and outmark any opponent his size or smaller.  When his knee injury curtailed his athleticism, he reinvented himself as a clearance machine.  He did play in an era when we had a pretty strong list but he still dragged us over the line single-handedly on many occasions.

Cripps is a more natural footballer and instinctively chooses the best option.  His prowess is built on physical strength, hard work and determination and is despite him not being among the most athletically gifted footballers … and he has had to contend with rule changes that have directly impacted on the way he plays.

Of course, Big Nick is still the best and most complete footballer I have seen pull on the navy blue guernsey.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #116 –
I've made a few big predictions over the past couple decades on these boards (or previous incarnations of them that are lost to time).

First one, may have even been pre-my time on here. - In about '95-'96, "Kouta will one day win a brownlow." - He got robbed by Woewodin
Second one, Cripps will one day win a brownlow...after he started showcasing what i saw from his U18's highlight package soon after Judd - He obviously pulled that off, twice.

I've also hitched my wagon to a few kids over the journey based on U18's viewings and where our first pick was at the time and what i thought we needed (Not in order.)
1. Bryce Gibbs - A given, you might say, but plenty of #1's haven't worked out quite as well. He had time and smarts that exceeded his peers.
2. Chris Yarran - Freakish athlete. He had time and smarts that exceeded his peers.
3. Nathan Djerrkura - Not many may remember him. played for the cats and dogs. He was a bit undersized, but was hard at the contest and was good defensively and but still exhibited the talents of an indigenous player. Was a speculative late pick.
4. Patrick Cripps - Again, he had time and vision that exceeded his peers. It was obvious to see.

We, obviously, chose 3 out of those 4 and seemed to live up to my and most people expectations.

Despite what the bombers saw in the fat kid, i always thought it was pretty obvious that he had talent, smarts and vision. Whats harder to see from those same viewings is his passion, desire and dedication. Thats where he sets himself apart from the 3 other listed players (to varying degrees) and makes him the player he is today.

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Reply #117 –
I reckon the clear element that separates elite players from those that are just great is vision - and I'm not just talking about the ability to see. It's also the ability to not only spot where things are on the ground at any given time, but predict where they are likely to end up as the play unfolds.

That's why Diesel hit blokes with 30m handpasses from the middle of a pack, and Nick Daicos and Cripps can deliver blind handballs knowing it is going to a teammate in a better position.  And the other mere mortals on the ground (including the umpires) say 'how did he do that?'

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?
 

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Reply #118 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
I reckon the clear element that separates elite players from those that are just great is vision - and I'm not just talking about the ability to see. It's also the ability to not only spot where things are on the ground at any given time, but predict where they are likely to end up as the play unfolds.

That's why Diesel hit blokes with 30m handpasses from the middle of a pack, and Nick Daicos and Cripps can deliver blind handballs knowing it is going to a teammate in a better position.  And the other mere mortals on the ground (including the umpires) say 'how did he do that?'

...and thats basically what i was seeing in the players i mentioned above.

You can tell 'pure footballers' from limited highlights. They are the ones that catch my attention.
it should be noted, Kouta was not in that category, his point of difference was sheer size and athleticism with some football positioning knowledge thrown in for good measure.

If you could find some U18 vision of him, its pretty clear, to me anyway, that Cripps was different.

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Reply #119 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
If you could find some U18 vision of him, its pretty clear, to me anyway, that Cripps was different.
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