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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #105 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Most goals Jack has kicked in a season is 19.
His old man bettered that on 4 occassions.
His best was 28 in a season and that came from 12 games.

Nobody expected Jack to live up to his old man as a defender, thats impossible.
He hasn't even lived up to his old man as a forward though, thats gotta be tough to swallow.

If Jack continues to kick goals at the same rate, he will slot his 236th goal in his 312nd game.  SOS only had 202!  :)

Jack averages 0.76 goals per game and SOS averaged 0.64; not bad for a fullback!  I guess SOS did manage to kick bags when he did go forward.

Jack's average will decline if he does become a defender ... or perhaps he will emulate his old man and kick bags when switched forward.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #106 –
Looks like Lemmey is filling out nicely - big boys take time till they get used to their big fame and how to use it. Will be interesting if it clicks for him and slowly goes into beast mode this year. 21 end of January so still a baby for a tall developing bloke but will be an intriguing watch.

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Reply #107 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Looks like Lemmey is filling out nicely - big boys take time till they get used to their big fame and how to use it. Will be interesting if it clicks for him and slowly goes into beast mode this year. 21 end of January so still a baby for a tall developing bloke but will be an intriguing watch.

Did you miss my post about Lemmey explaining that his off-season program enabled him to become leaner and, hopefully, faster and more agile?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #108 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: pinot – on
Looks like Lemmey is filling out nicely - big boys take time till they get used to their big fame and how to use it. Will be interesting if it clicks for him and slowly goes into beast mode this year. 21 end of January so still a baby for a tall developing bloke but will be an intriguing watch.

Did you miss my post about Lemmey explaining that his off-season program enabled him to become leaner and, hopefully, faster and more agile?

Looks like I might have - he seems alot more muscular to me- I think they do need to put him on a programme because his body type is muscle on muscle. I say let him go for it could become the next Levi Casboult pending on how big he gets - a big brute. Just practice contested marking and kicking and let everything else be... Dont think becoming more agile  and leaner will be as beneficial as turning him into a monster like Levi... that would be your Levi Casboult/Charlie Dixon types - dont have one of those not sure missing out on the opportunity is particularly a very good idea. But intrigued how it all turn out. Could be an excellent Fwd Ruck with forward sitting in the goal square.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #109 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Looks like I might have - he seems alot more muscular to me- I think they do need to put him on a programme because his body type is muscle on muscle. I say let him go for it could become the next Levi Casboult pending on how big he gets - a big brute. Just practice contested marking and kicking and let everything else be... Dont think becoming more agile  and leaner will be as beneficial as turning him into a monster like Levi... that would be your Levi Casboult/Charlie Dixon types - dont have one of those not sure missing out on the opportunity is particularly a very good idea. But intrigued how it all turn out. Could be an excellent Fwd Ruck with forward sitting in the goal square.

The knock on Harry is that he doesn’t get to enough contests and doesn’t have the second and third efforts to impact the contests he does get to.  His off-season program has obviously been tailored to give him his best chance at an AFL career … and there’s no way he’s ever going to be anything like Levi Casboult and even less like Charlie Dixon.

Back in the real world, Harry Lemmey will continue to learn from the two best key forwards in the game (in his opinion) and will try to get a win over Weitering in a one on one contest.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #110 –
The knock on him could potentially be erroneous if they are trying to turn him into something he is not. He is a go to forward - leave him in the goal square and ruck.. turn him into a Brute not Nick Larkey.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #111 –
Lemmey should be training as a backman imo, if we rookie McMahon he won't be the first choice KP forward replacement anyway and will be playing VFL for a long time. There is a vacancy as a KP backman and he looked ok when he played there at times last season.

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Lemmey should be training as a backman imo, if we rookie McMahon he won't be the first choice KP forward replacement anyway and will be playing VFL for a long time. There is a vacancy as a KP backman and he looked ok when he played there at times last season.

Yep.

I'm not sure how many 'swapsies' we are planning on doing this year but rumours have suggested that any of all of McGovern, Silvagni and Kemp could be trying their hand at the other end of the ground, and IMO Lemmey should be the one cemented as a key back rom from that group.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #113 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Yep.

I'm not sure how many 'swapsies' we are planning on doing this year but rumours have suggested that any of all of McGovern, Silvagni and Kemp could be trying their hand at the other end of the ground, and IMO Lemmey should be the one cemented as a key back rom from that group.

McGovern's an interesting one...
We recruited him as a forward.
He kicked 5 against us in one game for Adelaide.
I'm guessing the thinking is that 'we tried him forward and it didn't work out' and he's been a servicable back for us.
But us trying him there coincided with a few injury and form issues.
Although he still has injury issues he's been a bit more stable in recent seasons.

How would he go if tried forward again?
He's gained a bit of experience playing in defence that may be beneficial if he goes forward.
He may be a better forward option then both Kemp and Silvagni.

The question would be could we afford to take him out of defence.
It would almost ceratinly mean Kemp, Jack or maybe both, would need to drop back into the backline.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #114 –
Not sure why we need to add another tall marking option to our forward line.
We need that Fritsch style player who is capable at ground level but also good overhead and who is mobile.
That equals Moir imo....Kemp, Jack, McGovern  gives us a heavy look up forward imo...

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #115 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Not sure why we need to add another tall marking option to our forward line.
We need that Fritsch style player who is capable at ground level but also good overhead and who is mobile.
That equals Moir imo....Kemp, Jack, McGovern  gives us a heavy look up forward imo...

That's probably right.
But Harry's not really a stay at home forward and is just as often seen up around the wing.
Curnow usually get's double teamed, so if we have another tall marking forward dropping in it may take a bit of the attention off him.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #116 –
Quote from: pinot – on
The knock on him could potentially be erroneous if they are trying to turn him into something he is not. He is a go to forward - leave him in the goal square and ruck.. turn him into a Brute not Nick Larkey.

Rob Innes apparently has set different targets for many of our players this off-season and Lemmey is one that will be leaner in the next season.  Lemmey is relishing to prospect of better mobility.

Lemmey is not a brute and never will be.  He has a relatively light build and is not going to get bigger than he was last season, unless he turns to fat.  Key forwards have to be mobile and Lemmey is looking to emulate Harry and Charlie in their ability to get up the ground, find space and get a break on their opponent.  Lemmey is also working with Weiters on his positioning and body work and being leaner won't make him weaker or easier to out body.

 
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #117 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Yep.

I'm not sure how many 'swapsies' we are planning on doing this year but rumours have suggested that any of all of McGovern, Silvagni and Kemp could be trying their hand at the other end of the ground, and IMO Lemmey should be the one cemented as a key back rom from that group.

Nick Austin mentioned that Kemp is training as a forward and Silvagni is training as a defender.  I haven't heard or read anything about McGovern changing his role.

Lemmey is training as a forward and I can't see that changing even if McMahon is rookied.  Lemmey has pinch hit as a KPD in the VFL and that was one of his better games, but his best position is KPF and back up ruck.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #118 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
Yep.

I'm not sure how many 'swapsies' we are planning on doing this year but rumours have suggested that any of all of McGovern, Silvagni and Kemp could be trying their hand at the other end of the ground, and IMO Lemmey should be the one cemented as a key back rom from that group.

Nick Austin mentioned that Kemp is training as a forward and Silvagni is training as a defender.  I haven't heard or read anything about McGovern changing his role.

Lemmey is training as a forward and I can't see that changing even if McMahon is rookied.  Lemmey has pinch hit as a KPD in the VFL and that was one of his better games, but his best position is KPF and back up ruck.

I've heard same about McGovern, but cannot recall the source or how reliable it is.
Speculating at this time of the year is wasted energy. So its worth waiting until R1 before we get too up in arms about who is training where and why.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #119 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I've heard same about McGovern, but cannot recall the source or how reliable it is.
Speculating at this time of the year is wasted energy. So its worth waiting until R1 before we get too up in arms about who is training where and why.

All we do at this time of the footy calendar is speculate  ;D

I think it is interesting to take on board snippets about players' roles and who is doing what at training.

Kemp won junior All-Australian selection as full-forward - after one game in that role - and he has shown a bit as a forward in the VFL and our last few games last season.  What impressed me was his endurance and willingness to get back to help in defence.  If you watch the last minutes of the St Kilda game, apart from Kemp missing the sitter, you will see him on the goal line as Higgins' shot sails through.

Go back that Acres' goal against Melbourne the previous season and Kemp and McGovern are the two other Carlton players closest to goal.  It's one thing for backmen to go forward in that situation and another for forwards to show a willingness to get back and defend ... and Higgins got the shot at goal because another forward didn't defend.

In the past I have advocated leaving Kemp in defence.  However, he could be surplus to requirements there next season and our forward line has some holes to fill.  Kemp is fast enough and agile enough to make life difficult for most third tall defenders.  He is also strong enough in the air to compete with KPDs and I think that he could well become our slightly taller version of Bailey Fritsch but with the ability to hold down a KPF spot and the willingness and endurance to help out in defence.  We won't lose the capacity for defenders to create options in the forward line, as Kemp and McGovern did in the win over Melbourne, and we gain a forward with a defensive mindset and the energy and capacity to be a strong contributor to our team defence.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!