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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #210 –
Instead of Pre-Season I might start referring to this time of year as Tutt-Season, he was always flying right about now, then it just seemed to go sour in March!

Full apologies to Tutt, his friends and family, but it's genuine meme material!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #211 –
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Quote from: northernblue – on
No disrespect to you Jim, or Lemmey but let’s see him play some good solid VFL and maybe dominate for patches with a senior debut to follow…

Yes, the proof of the pudding …

However, Lemmey has done all of the above with the exception of his senior debut.  His game against Collingwood at CHB was one of the best VFL efforts I’ve seen.

He really has no excuses if he doesn’t continue to improve; shadowing Harry and Charlie and competing against Weiters is the perfect learning environment for an aspiring key forward.

Like G2C, I think there’s something about Lemmey … there’s also Harry and Charlie ahead of him in the pecking order.

His effort at CHB against Port Melbourne was outstanding too.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #212 –
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His effort at CHB against Port Melbourne was outstanding too.

I missed that game Jim.  His enthusiasm about matching up against Weiters at training might be paying off with his development as a potential KPD ... or swingman.

He has certainly got the physical attributes, his attitude seems to be just what you want and, as I mentioned previously, he has the perfect learning environment.  I expect that he'll get an opportunity before long and we'll see whether or not he can deliver on his potential.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #213 –
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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I guess that means Boyd not in the team,
I doubt that will be true, his absence would reduce our run and pace, and Boyd is also one of the better ball users by some margin!

A lot of the pre-season stuff you must take with a grain of salt, I doubt we end up in 2025 with all those stories of Kemp, SoJ and others switching here or there, we'd have no run, we just can't carry that many taller slower players given the apparent slowness of our midfield and we've added Haynes.

Owies leaving reduces our pace, as does Martin from the few games he played. Durdin has some pace but like McGovern can't stay on the park.  Ollie and brother EH are not quick either. I suspect in F50 Lord and Binns might find more game time, for the very reason of pace.

Jack Silvagni may not be fastest bloke around but he could show his defender a clean pair of heels with his anticipation and footy smarts.  There’s no reason why he can’t do that as a defender.

Kemp’s not slow and he’ll have opposition defenders busting a boiler to keep up with him … and didn’t you want him in the midfield?

Haynes is another pacy medium defender who reads the game very well.  We won’t lose any defensive speed or run with Haynes in the mix.

Owies isn’t quick and neither is Martin.  The former makes up for his lack of pace by his reading of the play and good positioning.  The latter is nimble and has a very good tank.

Binns and Lord are stayers rather than sprinters and would struggle to keep up with the Hollands  brothers in a dash.

But, back to EB’s point, I’d have Boyd in the team ahead of Ollie if it came to a choice of one over the other.  Ollie’s probably better at getting to contests but Boyd can lock down an opponent and makes better use of the pill.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #214 –
I haven’t really noticed much of Brodie Kemp in the match sims.  It seems that, apart from learning how to work with Harry, he has been trialling a defensive role on Weiters.

That would certainly be a point of difference to our recent forward line set ups.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #215 –
Pitto seems to think that he will be rucking in tandem with TDK and has been working on strengthening the non-ruck aspects of his game.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #216 –
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Pitto seems to think that he will be rucking in tandem with TDK and has been working on strengthening the non-ruck aspects of his game.
a cynic would say we know Charlie is cooked so we are going this route. 

First Kemp forward, now dual rucks which was abysmal most of the time last season and previous.  Combined with curnow being off the pace since November and it all adds up to contingency plans.

Nothing wrong with that, better to be prepared rather than not, but it doesn't bode that we are anticipating having the A team out there.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #217 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Pitto seems to think that he will be rucking in tandem with TDK and has been working on strengthening the non-ruck aspects of his game.
It's exactly what many of us thought was needed, we wanted Pitto to improve his non-ruck game play, those moments just after the ball up that he can often become non-competitive, and take a few more marks around the ground giving Harry and Charlie a bit of a chop out from covering so much ground.

But as stated last season, there will be weeks we go with one, and there will be weeks we go with two, because it's obvious there is no one solution to fit all circumstances.

Finally, share the load and have them all fit and firing at the finals end of the season.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #218 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
a cynic would say we know Charlie is cooked so we are going this route. 

First Kemp forward, now dual rucks which was abysmal most of the time last season and previous.  Combined with curnow being off the pace since November and it all adds up to contingency plans.

Nothing wrong with that, better to be prepared rather than not, but it doesn't bode that we are anticipating having the A team out there.

Only a cynic who hasn’t seen Charlie back in full training 🙂

Without wishing to re-ignite the one vs two rucks debate, I’m more than happy to see us working around two rucks.  That’s provided that both of them - whether that’s any two of Pitto, Skull and TDK - can make a fair dinkum contribution when they’re not rucking.

Vossy is understandably not happy with how our forward line performed last season and has charged Jordan Russell with exploring different options.

Similarly, Sammy Hamill is looking at different defensive options with Silvagni, Haynes, Ollie Hollands, Carroll, Wilson and possibly a Camporeale.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #219 –
Doc says he’s training to play on the wing or as an inside midfielder, but may also play as a half forward/midfielder and half back.

I guess that there aren’t many other options 🙂
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #220 –
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Doc says he’s training to play on the wing or as an inside midfielder, but may also play as a half forward/midfielder and half back.

I guess that there aren’t many other options 🙂
Media keep telling us our D50 is poo, yet there is no D50 spot for Doc.

Just saying folks!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #221 –
Quote from: LP – on
Media keep telling us our D50 is poo, yet there is no D50 spot for Doc.

Just saying folks!

Doc pointed out that versatility is one of his strengths but also implied that a defensive role is the least likely option - even with our two injured players coming from the defence.

It seems that our preferred defensive set up will be along the lines:

O Hollands    Weitering    Cowan
Saad               Silvagni*       McGovern
I/C  Haynes/Boyd

Young, Carroll, Wilson, O’Farrell, L Camporeale, Charleson, Duffy, Monahan and Cincotta (when fit) provide the depth

Of course, seven of that lot haven’t played a game and that may mean former defenders, Kemp, Williams and Doc, reprising their roles.

*Training to play CHB

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #222 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Pitto seems to think that he will be rucking in tandem with TDK and has been working on strengthening the non-ruck aspects of his game.

Pitto, and the club might be preparing for 2026.... life without you know who!!

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Reply #223 –
Watching the training today it is clear the O.Hollands role will be to move the ball quickly out of the D50 with pace and kicking. JSOS let go a couple of 60 meter torps which in a match situation would really disrupt an oppositions defensive set up. While there is not a lot of love for Fantasia on this site I am sure he will be in the starting line up if he remains fit so I would expect Fogarty to unfortunately miss out. He is clean with the ball and has footy smarts. Also Jagga Smith is very good and he will be in the starting team. I think Crippa will be getting more forward of the ball in his midfield role this season and hopefully kicking more goals while Walsh will be a linking midfield role. He will be a souped up version of Barry Armstrong, Ken Sheldon and David Glascott.
A few other observations from today's training. St.Kilda should save themselves a million dollars a year and go after Harry Lemmey. He has definitely sized up and could surprise this year. Pitto looks stronger and more mobile than this time last year. I think there is going to be a bit of competition for who gets to where the big boys pants. There was a kid wearing number 33 who looked interesting as did the guy wearing number 45. Matt Duffy looks quite physically developed for his age whereas Ben Camporeale looks a little underdeveloped even compared to his brother. I think Big Harry is going to play closer to goal this year with Charlie playing up the ground more. I observed Matt Carroll in the gym doing his rehab by himself. Rehab is really a lonely place.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #224 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Pitto seems to think that he will be rucking in tandem with TDK and has been working on strengthening the non-ruck aspects of his game.

If he wants to ruck at all he needs to work on that part of his game.
TDK is getting picked ahead of him. So he either adapts of waits in the 2's.

I think Pittos ruck craft is elite, so no point training that side of things excessively. Spend time getting him right elsewhere.
TDK on the other hand needs to improve his ruck craft........or improve the consistency of his forward craft. Around the ground he is good without being great.

If we could combine the 2, we'd be unstoppable.

Still think we are better off switching Harry in the ruck as it actually improves his confidence and thus his forward craft on the back of it.