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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: pinot – on
Wouldnt take much from this hit out. We got clobbered by Melbourne last year by 10 goals and they didnt make the finals and we were sitting 2nd after round 17 or something like that. Saints seemed more motivated and thats ok this time of year.

Cant play TDK and Pitto in same side - no idea why Kemp was dropped in VFL.

Looking forward taking on the Giants for final tune up.

You're likely right, Fine Wine.  I'm one of those supporters who -- probably unrealistically -- wants to see our best, regardless of day. I guess rotating 30 blokes through the game would be more about 'having a look' at certain blokes and plays rather than a 'winning' intensity.

Sort of agree Baggers but always like to see us win. 🙁
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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I suspect the level of disappointment with the performance is pretty much determined by the expectations we had prior to the game.

While a lot of the criticism has some merit, some of the things concerning folks should probably be viewed in terms of the fact that it was 'just a hit-out'.
At this time of the year you may see a wide variation in how teams approach these games.
Some will take it more seriously than other.

Skills will be a little off.
Intensity and pressure will be nowhere near what it is in the season proper.
Your key players will play well within themselves....they have the experience of many pre-seasons behind them.

And importantly ...if you're rotating almost your entire list through four quarters of football things like stucture, cohesion and even momnetum will be seriously affected.
Depends a lot too how you rate the opposition and how we were meant to be flying during inhouse match sims etc and playing with cohesion and purpose especially down back.
Stkilda are mediocre imho and with four of their few stars missing as well as perennial nemesis Membrey now a Magpie I was expecting more yet a lot of the old problems resurfaced and we looked untidy down back and messy trying to connect with our forwards with the long bomb in operation too many times.
I need to see something different not more of the same especially down back where we have several players whose disposal and decision making is iffy..

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #47 –
Won't be long before we're screaming for Doc back in defence to sort them out, but that seems a retrograde step.
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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #48 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Wouldnt take much from this hit out. We got clobbered by Melbourne last year by 10 goals and they didnt make the finals and we were sitting 2nd after round 17 or something like that. Saints seemed more motivated and thats ok this time of year.

Cant play TDK and Pitto in same side - no idea why Kemp was dropped in VFL.

Looking forward taking on the Giants for final tune up.
Apparently, he wasn't that impressive i the VFL. His kicking for goal was quite ordinary.
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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #49 –
I reckon this is a good way to judge the level of commitment to these practice games....
When we win or have a close loss probably half a dozen of our better players will have had very good games.

Which of our 'better' players had good games today?

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #50 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: pinot – on
Wouldnt take much from this hit out. We got clobbered by Melbourne last year by 10 goals and they didnt make the finals and we were sitting 2nd after round 17 or something like that. Saints seemed more motivated and thats ok this time of year.

Cant play TDK and Pitto in same side - no idea why Kemp was dropped in VFL.

Looking forward taking on the Giants for final tune up.
Apparently, he wasn't that impressive i the VFL. His kicking for goal was quite ordinary.

Well that's a damn shame - stamping his papers?
 

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #51 –
Practice matches when overseas are different when one is out and about. Given these games are often more about seeing who performs rather than the scoreboard, checking in on Kayo seemed almost pointless. Scoreboard doesn't matter and one can't tell by simply checking in every so often who played well.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #52 –
I wonder what the comments on here would have been like if we utterly smashed the Saints in a completely convincing fashion. Would we still be saying "I wouldn't take much out of the result"?
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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #53 –
I'd be measured.  I genuinely don't care.  This is all about how the individuals went, which rubs against the green of what i look for most weeks.

Questions for anyone who watched:

Was Jack Carroll playing for the saints?  Was he any good?

I've heard good things about lord.  Promising?

How was binns?

Lemmey and o keefe?

The bonfide senior boys are just wiping away the cobwebs at this stage and like the regular season we don't know how hard we are going off the park at this point too.

Cotters is he going ok?

Was the fual ruck setup the abject failure I thought it would be?

Finally, was this match a trial of a mosquito fleet type forwardline?
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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I wonder what the comments on here would have been like if we utterly smashed the Saints in a completely convincing fashion. Would we still be saying "I wouldn't take much out of the result"?

I'd still say that.
I said it before the game.
Don't take much notice of the result.
A big loss by St Kilda would have refelected more on their issues.
A big win by us would probably have indicated we were after the win rather than just having a look at the list.

Sides approach these games with different levels of commitment.
They're often  trying different things.
Results will bear no resemblance to the season proper.
I don't think any of our core group had great games
Those players were going half pace.

Cripps had about 10 touches and half a game
DeKoning had a few cameos but nothing special
Harry clocked off at quarter time.
Weitering was out there...I think I heard his name mentioned.

That was the level of commitment.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #55 –
The only way to know if that game is meaningless or a tad concerning is how the club itself views these matches. If they use it as a rehearsal for R1 then im very concerned. The ball movement/decision making which has always been an area of concern looked as though they didnt change a thing over summer as it was crap again.  

I dont care about the score line and i doubt the club do either and the main objective you would think is come out of it unscathed
but still I cant find a reason why going into 50 was again so poor - practice match or not i cant find an excuse why that still occurs.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #56 –
I think we are trying to find excuses for a poor effort, no one cares about the results but its the method and improvement in weak areas from last season that you want to see and less reliance on those core team carrying players.
We are lucky we are playing the bye(Richmond Rnd1) where we should be able to mask our deficiencies but like a few of the scribes who have us missing the eight I'm starting to get concerned with what I am seeing and questioning the list management.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I'd be measured.  I genuinely don't care.  This is all about how the individuals went, which rubs against the green of what i look for most weeks.

Questions for anyone who watched:

Was Jack Carroll playing for the saints?  Was he any good?
Thought he was one of the better back men compared to the others, but that's not saying much

I've heard good things about lord.  Promising?
Yep, I think he was pretty good when he came on. There's hope there

How was binns?
As I said earlier on, he got to the ball a little but his disposal is crape

Lemmey and o keefe?
Both have a fair way to go before ever being considered at AFL level. O'Keeffe ahead, slightly, at this stage

The bonfide senior boys are just wiping away the cobwebs at this stage and like the regular season we don't know how hard we are going off the park at this point too.

Cotters is he going ok?
Only positive for him is he got through the game. You mentioned cobwebs and after his layoff he's earned a pass. At this stage


Was the fual ruck setup the abject failure I thought it would be?
Both our boys had their colours lowered to a lesser known first gamer. At least TDK had some impact up forward. Pittonet should only play when TDK is injured or being managed.

Finally, was this match a trial of a mosquito fleet type forwardline?
Motlop was the best but I'm critical of his intensity AT the ball. Fogarty was virtually unsighted. Williams played a half and did SFA. Durdin came on and immediately injured himself and went off and Fantasia was his usual (how he gets a game is beyond me).

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #58 –
We're going to get a range of opinions and concerns reagrding the performance.
Time will be the judge of its merit.
As I said before, the level of disappointment is probably tied to the level of expectation.
I expected just a run around and that's what I saw.

Things like structure and cohesion can be affected when half the side (the better players) are just there for a run.
The support and pressure is nothing like what it is in a 'real' game.
Add to that the need to fit 30 odd players into 4 quarters and your structures are out the window as players come on and off.
Attack and defence, (mostly attack) was a 'dog's breakfast'.

I'd expect the next game we'll have a bit more structure and purpose, something approaching the round 1 set-up

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs St. Kilda

Reply #59 –
@rocky Agree re Binns, if he gets a game we are in strife I reckon.
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