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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #45 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.
Possibly, but I think the chance of that happening is remote.

My experience of footy at all levels is that known unknowns frequently slay giants.

Firstly, this seems to occur mostly because AFL is an intensely tactical and rigidly structured game, and being in ignorance of a fresh opponent simply through the lack of previous exposure(they are unknown until otherwise exposed) is a very dangerous position. We can't even study them against other known knowns because we are the first!

Secondly, experienced players improve incrementally, newbies can improve dynamically, Nthmond will potentially change dramatically across the season. They won't be consistent week to week, that makes them a dangerous opponent, hard to plan for, it's not just about ability or skill.
the point is sides like that get their wins against other sides in the same boat like West coast. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: LP – on

Possibly, but I think the chance of that happening is remote.

My experience of footy at all levels is that known unknowns frequently slay giants.

Firstly, this seems to occur mostly because AFL is an intensely tactical and rigidly structured game, and being in ignorance of a fresh opponent simply through the lack of previous exposure(they are unknown until otherwise exposed) is a very dangerous position. We can't even study them against other known knowns because we are the first!

Secondly, experienced players improve incrementally, newbies can improve dynamically, Nthmond will potentially change dramatically across the season. They won't be consistent week to week, that makes them a dangerous opponent, hard to plan for, it's not just about ability or skill.
the point is sides like that get their wins against other sides in the same boat like West coast.

One of Richmond’s wins last season was over the Swans …
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #47 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
the point is sides like that get their wins against other sides in the same boat like West coast.

One of Richmond’s wins last season was over the Swans …

they're weaker this year. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: DJC – on


One of Richmond’s wins last season was over the Swans …

they're weaker this year. 
Agree....got their stars but then they tail off imho and if you are having to pick scraps like Paton from Stkilda its not a good sign.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #49 –
Two debutants for us; Nick Haynes and Lucas Camporeale!

Haynes was always likely to play but Lucas is a bit of a surprise.  Based on his draft profile, I would have expected Lucas to break into the team some time after brother Ben and towards the end of the season.  His form in the GWS practice match was good but his poise under pressure was outstanding.  It seems that Lucas has gone past Jaxon Binns - although the latter could be named too.

Charlie will miss but is back in full training and it seems that Sam Walsh will play. 

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #50 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Two debutants for us; Nick Haynes and Lucas Camporeale!
I've been pleasantly surprised by the way Lucas has presented physically, twelve months ago it would have been difficult to imagine him in that sort of shape, he's advanced physically quite quickly.

Lucky genes or hard work, probably both!

His dad despite being slightly built was generally pretty durable, at least while he was with us, but maybe Lucas gets some of it from his mum's side?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #51 –
Reward for effort for Lucas.

Was clearly one of our best in the practice match and is rewarded for it.

If they can keep that kind of logic up for the year, including leaving out an injured Charlie, we might be in with a shot.

Its rather simple, but rest injured players and reward form......no matter who they are in each case.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #52 –
Well done to Lucas, hard work has paid off.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #53 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Reward for effort for Lucas.

Was clearly one of our best in the practice match and is rewarded for it.

If they can keep that kind of logic up for the year, including leaving out an injured Charlie, we might be in with a shot.

Its rather simple, but rest injured players and reward form......no matter who they are in each case.

Yep, a very important lesson from last year.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #54 –
Campo Senior debuted in 1995 and became a premiership player in his first year.
Just saying.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #56 –
Training on Sunday
- Docherty and Hewett looked like a million bucks
- Charlie was piercing 50m footpasses and kicking goals on two steps. But never contested for marks so maybe round 2. But looks good.
- Will White was wearing Jagga Jets number for some reason.
- Walsh looked sharp - ready to turn it on
- Lucas, Ollie, Saad these quick running types looked very good.
- Binns kicking was diabolically bad and has lost all confidence.
- Lord & Cerra where on each other for many of the drills and was difficult to pick who won.
- Lemming is a real presence but not stringing it together.
- Kemp was solid - will have a great year I reckon, SOS as well.

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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #57 –
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I was watching footage of training and thought for a minute that Jagga must have made a miraculous recovery 😮

Charlie certainly didn’t seem hampered at all and he must have been close to playing.  It’s good that the MC resisted the temptation to bring him back early.

As for miraculous recoveries, Hudson 0’Keeffe seems to have shaken off his hamstring in record time.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #58 –
So I hear on the grapevine that Fantasia has done a soft tissue injury and will be unavailable for this game. FFS stamp his papers already and be done with it.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #59 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Training on Sunday
- Docherty and Hewett looked like a million bucks
- Charlie was piercing 50m footpasses and kicking goals on two steps. But never contested for marks so maybe round 2. But looks good.
- Will White was wearing Jagga Jets number for some reason.
- Walsh looked sharp - ready to turn it on
- Lucas, Ollie, Saad these quick running types looked very good.
- Binns kicking was diabolically bad and has lost all confidence.
- Lord & Cerra where on each other for many of the drills and was difficult to pick who won.
- Lemming is a real presence but not stringing it together.
- Kemp was solid - will have a great year I reckon, SOS as well.

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Thank you, Fine Wine. Short, sharp and shiny... love it.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17