AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #75 – March 17, 2025, 07:24:33 pm

I had a think about this week. Last week's effort was so bad, that if we come out and thump hawthorn by 100 points I'll be even more annoyed about last week.

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Reply #76 – March 17, 2025, 07:58:21 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 17, 2025, 07:24:33 pm

I had a think about this week. Last week's effort was so bad, that if we come out and thump hawthorn by 100 points I'll be even more annoyed about last week.

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Reply #77 – March 17, 2025, 07:58:58 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 17, 2025, 07:24:33 pm

I had a think about this week. Last week's effort was so bad, that if we come out and thump hawthorn by 100 points I'll be even more annoyed about last week.

Very true, but it won't be half as depressing as being thumped by 100pts, because there won't be any spin capable of hiding the truth!

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Reply #78 – March 18, 2025, 09:18:14 am

I've no idea what will happen
I have no expectations.
I don't know how good they'll be in 2025
I've no idea how good (or bad) we'll be in 2025
As a result I won't be surprised by the result.

Seriously though, this will be a tough ask.
A loss like last week when we expected an easy time,willl have a fair bit of second guessing taking place.
We have to have the focus there and attack for the start and maintain an intensity and pressure otherwise they'll run all over us.
Our best is good enough, but we were a long way from that after quarter time last week...we've been a long way from that for some time.
It's a difficult period.
There is every chance we could be 0-4 in the next month.
It'd be good to pick up a 'W' in that period just to give us a kick start.
Otherwise, we'll be playing catchup and while Brisbane showed those poor starts can be overcome finals would be a faint possibility and the ramifications of missing would mean a fair bit of turmoil.
In fact it could be 'sayonara' to premiership hopes with this group.

At the very least this week we probably need to see effort....and hopefully a bit better ball use.

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Reply #79 – March 18, 2025, 10:17:13 am

The season's not over till it's over. Teams can and have come back from poor starts. Not sure if it's my imagination or actual reality, but I'm noticing a mini trend in recent times, where some teams have, generally speaking, contrasting first and second halves of the season : one half of indifferent form and scratching out a few wins, the other half great form and mostly wins.

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Reply #80 – March 18, 2025, 10:50:40 am

Quote from: PaulP – on March 18, 2025, 10:17:13 am

The season's not over till it's over. Teams can and have come back from poor starts. Not sure if it's my imagination or actual reality, but I'm noticing a mini trend in recent times, where some teams have, generally speaking, contrasting first and second halves of the season : one half of indifferent form and scratching out a few wins, the other half great form and mostly wins.

I guess it would be better to start slow and finish strongly rather than the way we played 2024. But we need to be in a position where we haven't given up too much of a start that we fall short.

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Reply #81 – March 18, 2025, 10:52:24 am

Quote from: Lods – on March 18, 2025, 10:50:40 am

I guess it would be better to start slow and finish strongly rather than the way we played 2024. But we need to be in a position where we haven't given up too much of a start that we fall short.

I agree.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #82 – March 18, 2025, 12:42:26 pm

It’s ok, two wins on the trot and most of us will be back feeling the navy blue love…

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Reply #83 – March 18, 2025, 01:03:19 pm

Statistically, if you go 0-2 you miss finals.

I have always thought that this is a rubbish trend, as there are 24 games played across the season, and generally speaking, its a pattern and an indicator of how good your preseason was, rather than a premonition of anything, but the consistency in it is generally pretty sound.

This is the tip though:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1089967/history-against-collingwood-magpies-brisbane-lions-as-early-0-2-hole-proves-hard-to-overcome

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Since 2000, only 20 of the 114 teams who have made an 0-2 start to a season have gone on to play finals. Only three of those have reached the Grand Final; the Pies fell just short in the 2018 decider and Sydney did it twice (in 2006 and 2014), but neither club was able to go all the way.

Brisbane reversed a trend, but are they an outlier or not?

Thats the question on everyones lips.

I think you have to ignore Brisbane. Effectively having the Gabba, means they get an artificial leg up that can be overcome here particularly when you view their home record, where Carlton do not. We lost a game at the G. Not earth shattering, but the The psychology behind it is huge.

They didnt call it the gabbatoir for nothing. they probably have a massive win percentage there in recent years.

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Reply #84 – March 18, 2025, 03:02:08 pm

Forecast for Thursday evening is a fair bit of rain.

We are the worst in the wet, and Hawks are the best.

A win will be a minor miracle.

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Reply #85 – March 18, 2025, 04:42:54 pm

long bomb into F50 been failing us for years and yet coaching panel has not change this style for 25 season (opposition find this do PREDICTABLE ) joke

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Reply #86 – March 18, 2025, 04:46:45 pm

Quote from: northernblue – on March 18, 2025, 12:42:26 pm

It’s ok, two wins on the trot and most of us will be back feeling the navy blue love…

Trust is the problem NT, you just cant trust the team from week to week...they could rise to the challenge and beat the Hawks and then get knocked over by the mediocre Dogs minus Bont the following week.

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Reply #87 – March 18, 2025, 05:00:31 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on March 18, 2025, 04:46:45 pm

Quote from: northernblue – on March 18, 2025, 12:42:26 pm
It’s ok, two wins on the trot and most of us will be back feeling the navy blue love…
Trust is the problem NT, you just cant trust the team from week to week...they could rise to the challenge and beat the Hawks and then get knocked over by the mediocre Dogs minus Bont the following week.

Unfortunately so true.

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Reply #88 – March 18, 2025, 05:29:39 pm

Despite all the noise, despite all the anger, despite the embarrassment, despite all the theories and rumours, I'm just gonna chill and simply think of it as one bad game at the very start of a very long season. Nothing more nothing less. I dont know that I can bring myself to go own Thurs night but I'll reset my mind, think of the season as starting this week and hope for the best.
Go Blues.

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Reply #89 – March 18, 2025, 06:12:38 pm

Out of left field and grist for the mill of discussion, I think.

One of the great motivators to lift spirits and give all players on the paddock a good squirt of dopamine is reward for effort. Humbly, I suggest one very real way we can beat the Dawks is simple scoreboard pressure... in other words, efficient forward efforts resulting in goals, not points. Accuracy in front of goals resulting in six pointers puts the pressure back on the opponent, and encourages team mates.

With so little between most teams at present, deadly accuracy in front of goals is a weapon. BUT our mids must choose the best leading option, not dropping the aggott on H's and Charles' heads. And H, take a handful of intensity, work hard and throw your weight around pills. Charles - work! Make stuff happen. Lead. Show some mongrel. Unsettle those Dawk defenders. As for our small forwards (flattering to call them that) - work hard making yourselves targets for those up the field. Motlop... learn to back out of trouble and alter your lines - your habit of running straight into tackles is sh*t.

Conversely, with our defenders hunting and hurting the Dawks forwards, this, at best creates pressure and even, hopefully a little doubt. And run off them, give them an altered focus - defending. Kemp, with an injection of mongrel, needs to go back.

Just thoughts.