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The jab status going into public domain is the issue.  

I'm not sure but if we all just said everyone got jabbed would anyone know any different? 

It's a mess.

Geez we’re really rewriting our history about Jones 🤦 besides being a selfish anti vaxxer, he also was not reliable and used to fly for stupid marks and take out other players! But now suddenly not having him is why we’re losing!?

Our problem is previous and current recruiting, and some bad luck with injuries for the past few years.

Geez we’re really rewriting our history about Jones 🤦 besides being a selfish anti vaxxer, he also was not reliable and used to fly for stupid marks and take out other players! But now suddenly not having him is why we’re losing!?

Our problem is previous and current recruiting, and some bad luck with injuries for the past few years.

We had more I50s than the Dogs, but in those entries we were 30% less efficient, that's huge, games typically swing on just 5% or 10% difference!

Our problem wasn't getting it inside F50, our problem was not scoring when it was there!

And no it wasn't because of Liam Jones, he had a grand total of 7 disposals and just 4 marks the 6th lowest AFL rating of all players on the ground including ours. So I'm not sure what some fans want to see, if we want to throw rocks at a former player, Kennedy was far more influential as he rated top 8!

Jones wouldn't have helped us because our problem was at the other end of the ground, I heard on radio our last quarters are the lowest scoring of any side in the AFL with the biggest last quarter differential!

Yes, the irrelevancy of dwelling on past errors you covered nicely.

Our problems, right here right now, are in our terribly inefficient and inadequate forward line, which you also covered nicely. And it really is no more complicated than that.

Quote from: Micky0 – on March 30, 2025, 01:18:02 am

Geez we’re really rewriting our history about Jones 🤦 besides being a selfish anti vaxxer, he also was not reliable and used to fly for stupid marks and take out other players! But now suddenly not having him is why we’re losing!?

Our problem is previous and current recruiting, and some bad luck with injuries for the past few years.

Thank you.

I started this Jones thing (i think) and it was done to point out that I believed he would be more important to our team structure compared to Kennedy.

It was also done to point out that our recruiting department has been sitting on their hands since.
Forget about how important each individual player was. Forget about why we don't have these players. Focus on the hole that was left behind and neglected since.

Having a 2nd tall reliable kpd allows us to drasticallynalter the way we play and the way we setup.
Jones, like weitering, can play tall and smaller. They can zone or they can lock down. Brain fades can occur, but ultimately it provides us with a better 22 than we have currently that gives us more.matcb day options than we have currently.

We have had at least 2 losses because the opposition has taken weitering out of the game when it mattered. That doesn't happen when you have a reliable 2IC to help him out.

Fix this and we drastically improve.
Haynes isn't the answer.
Sos isn't the answer.
Young isn't the answer.

Quote from: Baggers – on March 30, 2025, 10:27:35 am

Yes, the irrelevancy of dwelling on past errors you covered nicely.

Our problems, right here right now, are in our terribly inefficient and inadequate forward line, which you also covered nicely. And it really is no more complicated than that.

The bringing up on the past is to point out the shortcomings of the now.
The shortcomings of the now are to point out where the blame should lie.
The blame should lie with the blokes cultivating the list.

I replied to LL earlier after he implied players are the problem and coaching is all that mattered. By that logic Leigh Matthews could coach a bunch of teens to a flag. Absurd, but gets the point across. If the coach doesn't have the talent, it doesn't matter how good the coach is.

The current players (however hamstrung by injuries and 'other' we current;y are) are actually doing ok albeit without winning.

Agree. But that doesn't help us now. We know the past mistakes/reasons, the burning questions now are around how do we rescue season 2025?

Quote from: Baggers – on March 30, 2025, 10:45:46 am

Agree. But that doesn't help us now. We know the past mistakes/reasons, the burning questions now are around how do we rescue season 2025?

....but do we? I've been pointing these shortcomings out for years and that keeps getting put in the too hard basket and years later we still make the same mistakes.

Its not an easy fix.
You can't fix a lot of the problems we have now.

Best thing to do is to hope our injury issues disappear and it gives us some more versatility with which players we can pick on any given weekend.

One thing i'd like to consider changing up is how we structure our forwardline.

I get it, small forwards = pressure. We love pressure. We need pressure. You can never have too much pressure

.....or can you?

Perhaps we sacrifice some pressure that we get from a small forward running around harrassing and substitute it with some good old fashioned scoreboard pressure instead.

Why don't instead of picking an Evans who 'applies pressure' we pick a Moir, he kicks goals.
Ultimately, its not who has the highest amount of pressure that wins the game, its who has the most about of total points when the final siren goes.

Pick players that can beat their opponent in one on one contests up forward.
Pick players who can mark the ball inside 50.
Pick players who can kick goals.

If we have 6 forwards and they beat their opponent more often than not, then we win the game.
We know our mids will get it forward.
Yes, the supply inside F50 hasn't been great.....but if we had better forwards, that wouldn't matter as much.

Look at Zac Williams in his return to form over the past 18 months as a small forward. He kicked goals and made something out of nothing.
Look at all the love for Moir in his 2 quarters he's played. Why? He makes something out of nothing and kicks goals.

Find players who do that.

We focus so much on 'keeping the ball inside our forward half with pressure' Whats the point if we don't score.
If we get the ball in there slightly less, but kick more goals, then that is a winning recipe is it not?