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Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #90


Im not glad at all. We had the player we now desperately and let him walk out the door.    Swap jones with Young last week and we likely win. Massive c0ckup.

Geelong and Richmond to name a few both have/had players on there list charged with a serious crime but they do what is best for there team and supporters and work around the situation until the know the result.

We play judge and jury and lose a player we couldn't afford to lose but on the flip side we are expected to full support a player with a drug and say we all need to support them and wrap our arms around them.

Double standards.


Comparing supporting someone with an addiction, let's say, and someone who refuses to be vaccinated based on a conspiracy theory is like comparing a bicycle with a fish (thank you Irina Dunn and/or Gloria Steinham).

And suggesting we would have been better off last night with Jones instead of Young... holy mackerel... maybe if we had Doull instead of Jones, or Southby, or SOS or... Drawing on a really long bow there, Shawny, maybe a bow a few kilometres long!

Doull southby etc is being silly baggers. we had L jones and we let him go to the opposition and now we are complain about having no second tall. If you want to accept the clubs decision to let him go thats fine but i don’t. I am desperate for success and Jones would have been a massive upgrade on what we have.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #91
Last night as far as I can tell, our main blunders came forward of centre, maybe I'm biased but we had the Dogs wide open multiple times and gave the pill back from near or inside the F50 arc and it hurts us on the rebound.

Fans would be complaining about Jones and Kennedy, but the bloke we needed last night was Owies.

Most of Jones opportunities last night can from horrendous ball use decisions, bombing the ball high and long from the wing or HFF deep into pockets or to CHF for example.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #92
Last night as far as I can tell, our main blunders can forward of centre, maybe I'm biased but we had the Dogs wide open multiple times and gave the pill back from near or inside the F50 arc and it hurts us on the rebound.

Fans would be complaining about Jones and Kennedy, but the bloke we needed last night was Owies.

Most of Jones opportunities last night can from horrendous ball use decisions, bombing the ball high and long from the wing or HFF deep into pockets or to CHB for example.

Owies rd 1 11 disp 1 goal
           rd 2 13 disp 0 goals

Yeah, he definitely would have been the difference. Give it a rest. He's basically producing what Motlop has.
And just on Kennedy, ask yourself this. Would George Hewett be having the year he is with Kennedy still at Carlton? Wasn't happy with Kennedy's departure but understood we can't have all 3 of Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy. Too similar. Happy with George's year to date.
As far as Jones goes "F" him. Hate anti-vaxers and I wish they would all catch a horrible disease from something they could have vaccinated against and die.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #93
Owies rd 1 11 disp 1 goal
          rd 2 13 disp 0 goals
Owies is not a match winner, but he is a finisher and good ball user if you can generate enough opportunities, he won't get that at Wet Toast they are rebuilding.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #94


Comparing supporting someone with an addiction, let's say, and someone who refuses to be vaccinated based on a conspiracy theory is like comparing a bicycle with a fish (thank you Irina Dunn and/or Gloria Steinham).

And suggesting we would have been better off last night with Jones instead of Young... holy mackerel... maybe if we had Doull instead of Jones, or Southby, or SOS or... Drawing on a really long bow there, Shawny, maybe a bow a few kilometres long!

Doull southby etc is being silly baggers. we had L jones and we let him go to the opposition and now we are complain about having no second tall. If you want to accept the clubs decision to let him go thats fine but i don’t. I am desperate for success and Jones would have been a massive upgrade on what we have.

My point is, why pine for someone we don't have and won't get... serves no useful purpose.

Remember, Jones made the decision he did (his right) and knew the risks/potential outcomes of such a decision.

I think it's time to let that situation go. Pointless, and will actually change zero. Perhaps more productive to reflect on 45 or so blokes we have and who might join us in the future?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #95
Yeah, he definitely would have been the difference. Give it a rest. He's basically producing what Motlop has.
I suggest you watch the replay and look for blokes hang back off the footy in the last 4 or 5 minutes, when we had to get the footy and score to win, there were a few blokes watching.

Fans cook a player like Hollands for mistakes but at least he was attacking the ball, and making a contest, the ones you want to have a problem with are those hanging back off the contest waiting to receive, they didn't make a mistake because they didn't make an attempt! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #96
Owies rd 1 11 disp 1 goal
          rd 2 13 disp 0 goals
Owies is not a match winner, but he is a finisher and good ball user if you can generate enough opportunities, he won't get that at Wet Toast they are rebuilding.
Pffft, like he'll get more of those opportunities playing for the rabble that we are at the moment. You are delusional if you think a bloke like Owies would make any difference and is a typical knee-jerk reaction most people adopt when a team is, well quite simply carp.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #97
Yeah, he definitely would have been the difference. Give it a rest. He's basically producing what Motlop has.
I suggest you watch the replay and look for blokes hang back off the footy in the last 4 or 5 minutes, when we had to get the footy and score to win, there were a few blokes watching.

Fans cook a player like Hollands for mistakes but at least he was attacking the ball, and making a contest, the ones you want to have a problem with are those hanging back off the contest waiting to receive, they didn't make a mistake because they didn't make an attempt! ;)
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so you'll have to dumb it down for me as I've had a couple of wines

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #98
The jab status going into public domain is the issue.  It is and should be none of our business and people should have been allowed to make their own decisions regarding it.

Same should apply to everyone everywhere.  What someone else did had no bearing on my decision to get jabbed and vice versa.   This rigidness dot points our pandemic response issues.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #99
The jab status going into public domain is the issue.  It is and should be none of our business and people should have been allowed to make their own decisions regarding it.

Same should apply to everyone everywhere.  What someone else did had no bearing on my decision to get jabbed and vice versa.   This rigidness dot points our pandemic response issues.

Spot on.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #100


Doull southby etc is being silly baggers. we had L jones and we let him go to the opposition and now we are complain about having no second tall. If you want to accept the clubs decision to let him go thats fine but i don’t. I am desperate for success and Jones would have been a massive upgrade on what we have.

My point is, why pine for someone we don't have and won't get... serves no useful purpose.

Remember, Jones made the decision he did (his right) and knew the risks/potential outcomes of such a decision.

I think it's time to let that situation go. Pointless, and will actually change zero. Perhaps more productive to reflect on 45 or so blokes we have and who might join us in the future?

i do it baggers cause im bloody frustrated mate at our current position after waiting 10 plus years for this rebuild to bear fruit. Our once great club hasnt fired a shot in 30 years and we should be focused on doing everything and anything in our power to get better and a decision like that can drop you back a peg or 2 and considering our current predicament its salt in a old wound.

Anyhow watching the hawks GWS game and my gosh i hate the Hawks. Cant stand em

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #101
Yea, throwing away Kennedy was, and still is, a poor decision.  Such a handy, team oriented footballer.

Another way to look at it: Without MK and his 2 goals. We win 😵
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #102
Anyhow watching the hawks GWS game and my gosh i hate the Hawks. Cant stand em
I dont like them either but by golly can they play.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #103
Anyhow watching the hawks GWS game and my gosh i hate the Hawks. Cant stand em
I dont like them either but by golly can they play.

i know and thats what sh1ts me. They have had their moment and this period should be ours not theirs again!! They are a ruthless club that refuse to be bottom dwellers and find ways to short cut to success while we make excuses why we fail.

its sad. 😔

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #104
I dont have the answers but watching and playing for this club is hard work at the minute.  Maybe it's just as simple as things are challenging at the moment, and when you're not enjoying your footy the results are what we see.  Truthfully I can't think of a player that didn't try, we just executed really poorly when the game was there to be won.

Agreed.
My guess about what Vossy calls lack of composure: Panic. Some might call it perceived pressure. I think R1 was a shock and big blow to confidence. This may in turn permeate individual, team, coaching, and even performance factors insidiously. Effectively when the oppo turn up the heat, we melt 🫠

I think this mindset can shift with the right intervention. BTW Abusive fans are not part of any intervention.

Oh, and having forwards and mids kicking goals would naturally reduce said pressure. I found it amusing that 7 of our 11 goals were kicked by last year's defenders. 4 goalkickers in a game against an injury hit team isn't going to quell pressure.

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.