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Moir showed some signs at the end of last year.
But Moir's VFL game last week was not worth a promotion.
He may have that X factor but playing him at this stage would gain us nothing if he put in a similar performance.
It may even be a liability as defenders worked off him.

We do need to be rewarding form in the VFL
But if we drop someone pick the next 'best' in.
After Boyd, that was probably White.

Moir showed some signs at the end of last year.
But Moir's VFL game last week was not worth a promotion.
He may have that X factor but playing him at this stage would gain us nothing if he put in a similar performance.
It may even be a liability as defenders worked off him.

We do need to be rewarding form in the VFL
But if we drop someone pick the next 'best' in.
After Boyd, that was probably White.

I'm probably a bit biased.
I watched him last week hoping he could make a statement and a real claim for a senior spot

I couldn't have been more disappointed.

I'm probably a bit biased.
I watched him last week hoping he could make a statement and a real claim for a senior spot

I couldn't have been more disappointed.

Quote from: Lods – on March 30, 2025, 08:11:35 pm

I'm probably a bit biased.
I watched him last week hoping he could make a statement and a real claim for a senior spot

I couldn't have been more disappointed.

Do you think he has an application / dedication problem, is the talent not up to the expectation or does he just need time to develop?
I have seen little of him during his time at Carlton.

I think he's probably a work in progress.
There were little glimpses at the end of last year where he showed he has a few tricks that many of our side don't possess.

Look, we could give him a game next week and he may show something special, and kick multiple goals.
It's probably true of players like Moir that the level at which  they (AFL or VFL) play may not make a huge difference to what they produce.
It's a 'risk' move.
Some might argue we're at the 'risk' stage.
If they do play him, sub would probably be the best option.
I personally think there are others who should probably get a run ahead of him.
But lets see what they do at selection.

Who do you think is ahead of him that should come in?

We get absolutely nothing from our small forwards, because the ball comes in so slowly that the F50 is jammed by the time it gets there, and they are not talented or fast enough to be much more than witches hats.  To compound things, there is very little forward pressure, so the opposition can get it back out to the wings with ease.

At every centre bounce, I look at the half-forward line of Motlop, Cottrell, Evans, Fogarty and the like - a set of midgets against serious running half-backs who chop us up game after game. 

We have little or no run out of the backline, and our only strategy is to dump-kick it to the wing and hope for a contest (and based on the midget half-forward line, that gives us little or no hope).  Or dump kick it into F50 for an uncontested opposition mark.

I have been saying since mid last year that we need to start playing the kids to try and get some enthusiasm going.  We keep putting the same try-hards out there every week, and we get surprised when they come up short yet again?  That is Einstein's definition of insanity.

There is no way forward with the team they keep putting out there ATM.   Play the kids now.

The only adequate replacement for Williams is lij hollands.

The rest are hail Mary's with only will white an unknown quantity.  Moir is a second year player with currently a light body and minimal tank.

Until our season is completely dead we need to reward effort and form as much as possible and now it's on those on the cusp to come to the party, press for selection and perform once in. 

Look no further than Lewis Young for the example.  He's thus far been mich better than anyone thought this season, because he's giving it a red hot go.  Where are the others?  It's why I'm not bagging out Evans.  He's on his 3rd club, he's occupying spot 46 on the list because players further up it have been ruled out for the year.  If he's playing we have no other options that are doing their bit.  He's an easy target to bag for the right reasons, but doesn't deserve the ire.   Go higher up the list.   Mcgovern was one that really was found wanting yesterday late.  Dropped a couple of efforts that he's usually safe with and we couldn't get the ball in hand.

We are desperately missing Newman.

Quote from: Lods – on March 30, 2025, 07:56:56 pm

Moir showed some signs at the end of last year.
But Moir's VFL game last week was not worth a promotion.
He may have that X factor but playing him at this stage would gain us nothing if he put in a similar performance.
It may even be a liability as defenders worked off him.

We do need to be rewarding form in the VFL
But if we drop someone pick the next 'best' in.
After Boyd, that was probably White.

We don't need to reward his form in the VFL......but isn't that what we did with Evans?

Moir is not AFL fit, and his opponent may run off him.
But if he kicks 3 goals in a game of footy, and his opponent gets 20 touches. I'm taking that as a win. Up forward, we don't get many wins from 'smaller' blokes at the moment.