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Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #15 –
Meh - we are a badly coached and drilled team. Defence and midfield is fully stacked with a Coleman medalist in the forward line. Stating cupboard is bare is a cop out to the gross under performance and loss of faith in Voss's ways.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Why was Boyd dropped? He who has a bit of mongrel? Was he sick?
I don't know about Boyd but I feel sick  :-X
I am also angry and frustrated, so I'm calling it a night as I don't have anything constructive to day ATM.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #17 –
[1] Our fitness level is not up to scratch. It is terribly obvious as we can't run out a game. Our skills decay after half time because we're tired.
[2] We get out-coached most weeks at the moment. That is not all Voss's fault, as our players cannot execute. But he is not the sort of coach who reacts quickly in games and make changes that turn defeat into victory.
[3] Our list contains too many players who don't put in enough.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #18 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Who comes in is a separate list management discussion? No. Its 100% relative to this discussion. If you want to drop someone. You need to replace them with someone better.
There isn't.

From the in-game....





Feel free to go off on a complete tangent as usual !!

My comment was that Motlop has to be "traded or delisted" which just in case you may have overlooked, happens at the end of the season, not next week.

IMO, he is not up to the standard required and our List Management people need to find an replacement, again, this is to take place at the end of the season.

If Motlop plays the remainder of the season because there is no-one else available or better then so be it, doesn't mean he should continue at the club next year and beyond though.



"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #19 –
In deference to the performance suggested by the stats, if you watched a highlight package of Acres at the moment you would probably be begging for him to have less!

This reminds me of the performances when the playing group knew Henderson and Tuohy had departed in spirit but not yet in person, so other than the TDK rumours who else might be gone, Kemp?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #20 –
re: Motlop.......probably a second or third small forward you run behind someone else who is A grade who can make the big plays.
He will kick the joe the goose type expected goals but wont be doing any Eddie Betts miracle stuff very often if at all.

Game went to script, Collingwood did what they had to do and were able to control TDK, Charlie and Cripps with Cameron again playing well. They dont do anything spectacular its just solid football enhanced by the conditions, thought we battled on and had a few out of form players get their hands on the footy which might bode well for our next game.
There is nothing in the VFL that will turn this team around and its more about giving young VFL players in the main a taste than expecting them to win you a game.
The bomb it in game plan is born out of panic and lack of players who can break the lines and deliver well and again enhanced by the wet conditions.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #21 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
re: Motlop.......probably a second or third small forward you run behind someone else who is A grade who can make the big plays.
He will kick the joe the goose type expected goals but wont be doing any Eddie Betts miracle stuff very often if at all.
We have Charlie trying to do enough of the JtG stuff, we don't need Motlop as well.

I worried the last couple of seasons about Charlie being pumped up by the media and fans from getting so many of those JtG goals, too many in my opinion, and now it's become his default method. He's forgotten how to be a KPF.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #22 –
Hopelessly poor structure in defence, a combination of poor coaching, missing players and players in awful, awful form.... Weeters constantly barking instructions trying to reset a defence in a chaotic mess, lost all structure. No wingers in support.   Saad a shadow of previous years, McGovern absolutely hopeless (kicks twenty yards sideways, dropping marks, spectating)... And don't get me started on Williams, when Moo went down shifting this bloke to defence is running up the white flag....his review tape on Monday will be damning.  Must be dropped.
Usual blokes slogged their guts out...JSoS, TdK, George, Walshy, thought Ollie was ok.  Cripps well held no impact.  White showed a bit of spark I thought. 

Docherty invisible, real worry. Looks finished.

Can't see TdK staying after tonight .  Players look devoid of any passion or spark.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #23 –
Complete failure of building a list around a dual Brownlow medallist, 2x Coleman medallist’s and AA’s.

Owies may not have been the best player in the world but at least he gave honest consistent effort - I am over watching players stand around or half tackle and be blown past, over it.

Something is crook at Carlton Fc. Can’t help but feel there’s a real disconnect between the players for some reason, they are not cohesive at all.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #25 –
As expected.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #26 –
People don't know what's happened.

Newman who is generally reliable, plays balanced game forward and back, also provides leadership.

Gone.

Charlie is still on one leg, don't get sucked in, Charlie on fire kicks 3 goals tonight, not 1 goal 1.

Harry MIA.

Cripps, after 2 years in beast mode, and a lengthy, healthy period, is looking like he is labouring.  Old man peddles is doing Benjamin button by contrast.

We lost 50% of our defenders who actually defend when cowan broke down.  The others playing in the backline but they can't mind a man.

Hollands worked his way through the game tonight.  Lots of good, and few moments caught holding the ball he'd like back again.  Kicked a couple, plays like it means something.

Hewett once again our most influential player. 

Weiters is a star, but do you guys remember saying i want better leadership and less doing out of him?  Now with newman gone we desperately need this.

We've lost the games we should have won.  We better have been flogged at training because we are dead on our feet for half a game.  The pies played one comprehensive quarter and were just going for the rest of it. 

Personally, pittonet is the only one on the sidelines who comes in and makes a difference now. 

The rest of the improvement won't come from changing players but from players improving. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #27 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Meh - we are a badly coached and drilled team. Defence and midfield is fully stacked with a Coleman medalist in the forward line. Stating cupboard is bare is a cop out to the gross under performance and loss of faith in Voss's ways.

There was no-one apart from White and Boyd who deserved to be promoted from the VFL Round 1 match.
Boyd got his chance last week, White and Moir got their's this week.
The replacement cupboard is bare.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #28 –
I've never seen an AFL side fumble as much as we did tonight.

Totally bereft of confidence, getting rid of it like a hot potato when we do finally pick it up, which becomes simple turnovers.  

Not sure where to from here.  I think we have to keep trying some kids because we have no other choice.  
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #29 –
MV presser  -  he looks to have aged greatly these last few months, looks very tired/listless (understandable).  He seems bereft of any answers,   and other than him saying he will be having some strong conversations this week with players about roles and contests he appears a bit lost.   I think he is lost for new ideas/game plans,  but all he said is he wants to continue with the existing systems 'because that's what works;'    Sorry MV,  it actually isn't working,   and it also looks like many of the players are also not fully on board here,  and those that are just continue run their guts out each week with little result for effort.

Some things need to change before the year is a total washout.