Carlton Supporters Club

I might be the only one who thinks this, but I think too much is made of what are rare and minor (and split second) decisions by players who pull up or stop short or whatever. There's a mythology built up that ironing yourself out is more helpful to the team than trying to play out the full game. Our depth is shallow, and our injury list, whilst better than most years, is not ideal. It's possible that these players had moments they regret, and it's also possible that Voss is aware of our injuries and our depth, and has perhaps suggested that discretion is the better part of valor. Unlikely to be a popular view, but just putting it out there regardless.

This is precisely why I have grievances with certain football commentary : isolate, decontextualize, amplify and magnify incidents that have no real bearing on the final outcome, and aggrieved supporters pick it up and run with it. 

Im sorry our players are overly sensitive and can't be scolded or schooled in a traditional manner where they may become withdrawn and not want to train hard or put their bodies on the line...my mistake.
I thought we were supporting a football club not an encounter group?
We may need to ring Andrew Dillon and get him to tell West Coast to go easy on the tackling and for Harvey to cut out the don't argues in case someone gets hurt.
We are pathetic for a reason and having zero standards and free games for non performing players is part of why our culture sucks and I don't care if Voss is coaching from a dunny or a helicopter he needs to start driving higher standards for this club and asking for honest effort as a bare minimum.

100% effort in chasing
100% effort in tackling
100% effort in running
100% effort in kicking straight
100% effort putting your head in the hole
100% effort in putting body on the line.

If unable to meet these simple standards which is doesn't take highly skilled players to do - then they are not a part of the future and give some kids with upside that will do it.

We've lost every game - standards have been poor by senior players.

Voss has lost control of the list if these standards are not a priority.

Quote from: pinot – on April 08, 2025, 05:35:13 pm

100% effort in chasing
100% effort in tackling
100% effort in running
100% effort in kicking straight
100% effort putting your head in the hole
100% effort in putting body on the line.

If unable to meet these simple standards which is doesn't take highly skilled players to do - then they are not a part of the future and give some kids with upside that will do it.

And when the kids come in and do the exact same thing? What then? Do we ring ex players to throw the boots on?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 08, 2025, 05:26:22 pm

Im sorry our players are overly sensitive and can't be scolded or schooled in a traditional manner where they may become withdrawn and not want to train hard or put their bodies on the line...my mistake.
I thought we were supporting a football club not an encounter group?
We may need to ring Andrew Dillon and get him to tell West Coast to go easy on the tackling and for Harvey to cut out the don't argues in case someone gets hurt.
We are pathetic for a reason and having zero standards and free games for non performing players is part of why our culture sucks and I don't care if Voss is coaching from a dunny or a helicopter he needs to start driving higher standards for this club and asking for honest effort as a bare minimum.

Voss has called out the lack of adherence to standards at numerous pressers, Im sure behind closed doors the appropriate level of "scolding" is being delivered. It's on the players to respond or they will be shown the door when contracts are up. Remember, he was coached by the best in the business and I am certain he knows a thing or two about holding players to account. He doesnt need to froth at the mouth or rant and rave publicly. Again, this in on the players to respond to.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 08, 2025, 05:36:30 pm

And when the kids come in and do the exact same thing? What then? Do we ring ex players to throw the boots on?

Well you can't continue with senior players setting poor standards.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 08, 2025, 05:34:32 pm

Voss has called out the lack of adherence to standards at numerous pressers, Im sure behind closed doors the appropriate level of "scolding" is being delivered. It's on the players to respond or they will be shown the door when contracts are up. Remember, he was coached by the best in the business and I am certain he knows a thing or two about holding players to account. He doesnt need to froth at the mouth or rant and rave publicly. Again, this in on the players to respond to.

Voss may have called it out but has done nothing, the same players each week under question continue to get games and are serial offenders.
He may have been coached by Matthews but his record isn't great and after showing faith in the players they haven't responded imo and if he wants to save his job he needs to get tougher like how he played.We lost to Richmond rnd1...that's about as embarrassing as it gets and still no response from the players...its sad and pathetic.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 08, 2025, 05:41:57 pm

Voss may have called it out but has done nothing, the same players each week under question continue to get games and are serial offenders.
He may have been coached by Matthews but his record isn't great and after showing faith in the players they haven't responded imo and if he wants to save his job he needs to get tougher like how he played.We lost to Richmond rnd1...that's about as embarrassing as it gets and still no response from the players...its sad and pathetic.

Voss cant run out and lay a tackle for them EB. If there are no better options what can they do other than keep demanding better? I agree with you on the pathetic efforts from the players by the way. Im not for a second suggesting its acceptable, what's the answer though?