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If an election were to be held on the 3rd May (likely) which party would recieve your vote.

Labor
[ 12 ] (50%)
LNP
[ 7 ] (29.2%)
Greens
[ 0 ] (0%)
Teal Independent
[ 1 ] (4.2%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
Trumpet of Patriots
[ 1 ] (4.2%)
Local Independent
[ 3 ] (12.5%)
None of the Above
[ 0 ] (0%)

Total Members Voted: 24

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Reply #150 –
I don't see how The Voice would create division. One of Price's claims against The Voice is that Indigenous people are not suffering any negative impacts from Colonisation. Extraordinary.

Lidia Thorpe at times undoubtedly acts like an uncouth yobbo, but I prefer her any day over Price. The latter represents a minority position in Indigenous affairs.

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Reply #151 –
I literally just explained it.  Yoi don't agree that's different Paul.

Treating people differently both positive and negatively leads to resentment.  Its one thing to acknowledge an indigenous person/people/culture as part of Australia, but giving them different rules is a call back to them not having the same rights as the rest of us.  Its just with a different motivation. 

It's just not FAIR.  you don't cure injustice with more injustice.  You just breed resentment.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #152 –
The last few posts are actually a good indicator of how we look at things differently depending on our own political, social views and life experiences.
That's not to be critical of anyone. Our make-up  is a very complex and personal thing. We may have our own idea of how society should work.
And that can be very different because of our own situation
For every advance we advocate there is sometimes a cost or counter argument that we don't consider.
If everyone agreed there would be no reason for elections.
At the heart of everything is a difference in circumstances.
Society will only advance if the differences in circumstances  are reduced.

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Reply #153 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I literally just explained it.  Yoi don't agree that's different Paul.

Treating people differently both positive and negatively leads to resentment.  Its one thing to acknowledge an indigenous person/people/culture as part of Australia, but giving them different rules is a call back to them not having the same rights as the rest of us.  Its just with a different motivation. 

It's just not FAIR.  you don't cure injustice with more injustice.  You just breed resentment.

I would not be resentful if The Voice went through, I would not be resentful if we ever get a treaty, and I would not be resentful if reparations were paid out, which IMO are thoroughly warranted. I can very easily see how First Nations people are unique in our history.
 

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Reply #154 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I literally just explained it.  Yoi don't agree that's different Paul.

Treating people differently both positive and negatively leads to resentment.  Its one thing to acknowledge an indigenous person/people/culture as part of Australia, but giving them different rules is a call back to them not having the same rights as the rest of us.  Its just with a different motivation. 

It's just not FAIR.  you don't cure injustice with more injustice.  You just breed resentment.

I would not be resentful if The Voice went through, I would not be resentful if we ever get a treaty, and I would not be resentful if reparations were paid out, which IMO are thoroughly warranted. I can very easily see how First Nations people are unique in our history.

You wouldn't Paul. That's your view. But a lot of people would argue that the money involved in all those things would be better spent in direct health and welfare services. It's not a better option...just a different one.

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Reply #155 –
Quote from: Lods – on
You wouldn't Paul. That's your view. But a lot of people would argue that the money involved in all those things would be better spent in direct health and welfare services. It's not a better option...just a different one.

I get that. I dare say spending money on the things above would not preclude spending on health and welfare.

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Reply #156 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Baggers – on

I've watched a few interviews with Jacinta and what has consistently come to mind is... angry. Like an articulate Pauline Hanson.

To Jacinta the only reason the LNP lost the election was because of all the lies the other side came out with. And that's the problem with such a high degree of chronic anger, self-reflection and objectivity become impossible: not qualities you want in a leader.
See I dont see the angry bit, Thorpe is the very definition of angry.

Thorpe's anger is right there on the surface for all to see - not talking about right/wrong or whether her anger (rage) is justified or not. Whereas Jacinta's anger seems way more gritted between the teeth; passive/aggressive type. She's too smart and savvy to 'lose it' publicly. When, from what I have observed, Jacinta is confronted with reasonable questioning she descends into sweeping generalizations and ignoring/stonewalling the question.

I simply see red flags when any leader angrily (either overtly or covertly) denies and redirects. Trump is a master at this tactic.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17