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Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Lose to the sniffers and it's game over season 2025. Reality.

Its already season over mate.

Have to win 11 of the last 15 to make finals.

Not going to happen with this flaky list. Time to accept it for what it is and get brutal in the off season for once and stop thinking this list is capable of more then a middle tier team.

Heard all the excuses year and year after year. had a good run in the second half of 2023 with this rebuild and failed every other year. And those posters wanting us to remember Brisbanes start last year as something we can do is comparing a apple with a watermelon.

Their list is far superior to ours their coaching is superior and they finished the previous year 2 points shy of winning the flag.

We scrapped in finals last year with pure out of our hands luck and then game was over at quarter time in the EF.

Accept it for what it is folks cause this list is or coaching group is not getting us No17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #46 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
Lose to the sniffers and it's game over season 2025. Reality.

Its already season over mate.

Have to win 11 of the last 15 to make finals.

Not going to happen with this flaky list. Time to accept it for what it is and get brutal in the off season for once and stop thinking this list is capable of more then a middle tier team.

Heard all the excuses year and year after year. had a good run in the second half of 2023 with this rebuild and failed every other year. And those posters wanting us to remember Brisbanes start last year as something we can do is comparing a apple with a watermelon.

Their list is far superior to ours their coaching is superior and they finished the previous year 2 points shy of winning the flag.

We scrapped in finals last year with pure out of our hands luck and then game was over at quarter time in the EF.

Accept it for what it is folks cause this list is or coaching group is not getting us No17


We had to win yesterday to turn it into 50/50 win / loss at best. Whilst mathematically its possible to make finals, its highly unlucky now and a loss to the saints will put the nail in the coffin.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #47 –
Just when we seem to turn the corner we always run into a truck. Another important game where our players decide not to turn up and have a go. You can always rely on Carlton.  They will let you down every time.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #48 –
 i have been saying this all year from the start of the F>>>>kn year after a practice match " nothing changed " from 24 ,until we get physical  strong and running players into side and change that u12 long bomb game plan we are going nowhere . There a stat i want to introduce which side kicks straight to opposition the most ,we do it every week and our downfall begins .

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
I like Voss' approach. We can only go by his public statements. What he says behind closed doors is anyone's guess. If you don't have belief in your players, in your system etc, then you are defeated before you even cross the line. It's a bit like Malthouse with his now infamous comment about not seeing where we can lose a game : it's about mindset. Voss' comments (echoed by various experts in the media) that defensively we are pretty solid, and the tough stuff around the ball is also pretty solid, but that taking the next step is proving elusive. Voss was happy to admit that yesterday was a stinker, but you don't throw out 2 seasons of finals (and one near miss in 2022) after one lousy game. But no doubt, as far as this season is concerned, time is running out.

When Voss says the things he says (belief in players/systems  etc) who is he addressing.
Obviously he's answering a journos question and there may be an attempt to stifle any criticism from that area.
That's futile.

His greater target is probably the members and supporters
"Stick with us" kind of stuff
I think the problem is that there comes a point where those members and supporters don't buy that anymore...and there are definite issues, which of course he is reluctant to reveal publicly.


Yep. And, sadly, when Vossy says that his faith is based on our body of work, there comes a credibility issue. Bottom line is that (as I pointed out previously) against quality opposition thus far this year, we've won 7 quarters, and lost 13. That's not a convincing body of work... in fact, it's a body of work accurately reflective of our ladder position.

You're right, Principal LODS, the numbers are growing of those who're not buying what the club is messaging. I asked myself this morning if the CFC was a different club (not the one I loved), and I looked at their record this year with that cold objectivity, even indifference, would I consider said club a finals contender? Nuh.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #50 –
Shocking game, put me in a really crapty mood because you sensed from the get go they were not ‘on.’

Is it just a matter of important injuries happened early in the year (Newman, Jagga, Kemp) on top of returning long term injuries (JSOS, Durds, Doch) niggles to Charlie for first few weeks. H, Elijah early in season not playing, then concussed, etc -‘is it just a matter of just the stars not aligning and plain bad luck? Then you have Williams
Playing well - gets injured. Cotters, Cowan both off and on. No consistency of a team, not sure Doch will be able to turn back the clock (sadly) and Altho I think the young kids definitely show something they need to be surrounded by seniors doing their best.

🤷🏻‍♀️

Just don’t see it atm, I’m actually not even angry or too disappointed now, just the reality is we’re bruised and battered and sure hopefully it all clicks and our injuries are minimal going forward.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #51 –
Just on docherty, he's 31.

Hes not 40, and sure the acl injuries and cancer set backs may take a toll, but im not watching a bloke who "looks done".  I'm watching a guy make his way back.  It was what 13 months ago he wrecked his knee? 

Give him some time.  He's played for us during some very dark times, and been one of our better servants.  Sure he turns 32 this year but he's not the lone ranger struggling and all of them can turn it around.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #52 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
i have been saying this all year from the start of the F>>>>kn year after a practice match " nothing changed " from 24 ,until we get physical  strong and running players into side and change that u12 long bomb game plan we are going nowhere . There a stat i want to introduce which side kicks straight to opposition the most ,we do it every week and our downfall begins .
That sad part about yesterday is that our strength all year (our defence) was the cause of of downfall yesterday. We missed SOS more than we may think.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: pew2 – on
i have been saying this all year from the start of the F>>>>kn year after a practice match " nothing changed " from 24 ,until we get physical  strong and running players into side and change that u12 long bomb game plan we are going nowhere . There a stat i want to introduce which side kicks straight to opposition the most ,we do it every week and our downfall begins .
That sad part about yesterday is that our strength all year (our defence) was the cause of of downfall yesterday. We missed SOS more than we may think.

We are so fragile.

Our defence is thrashed and our excuse is we missed a player that was nearly delisted and has played under 10 games in that position.
i hear we also struggled because we were coming off a short break

Even heard that we didnt have enough crowd support.

We are simply not good enough.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #54 –
I think Gov cost us 1/2 doz goals because sos wasn't  there and he needed to step up and failed.
The small forwards failed because we didn’t have the space and composure to target them as we had done in the previous weeks, back to blindly bombing it in…
We just never possessed the ball long enough to contemplate a forward handball or a targeted entry.
Beyond that, the list is no good, the coaches are pretenders that play favorites and the bootstudder is a dead man walking… and don’t get me started on Brad Lloyd 🤦🏼‍♂️
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #55 –
You will have to scroll through to the 14.45 min to see Matthew Lloyd have a look at our defence in action.
It's not pretty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nYV6QQotas

Just in defence of Weitering
Where he's standing like a statue...
Both Young and DeKoning are in that contest, we didn't need another tall in there. Weitering's positioned himself between the contest and the goals.

In the second one Weitering looks like he's left a man to come up on the Crows player. He then 'goes off' suggesting he was left looking after two players.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Lods – on
You will have to scroll through to the 14.45 min to see Matthew Lloyd have a look at our defence in action.
It's not pretty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nYV6QQotas

Just in defence of Weitering where he's standing like a statue...
Both Young and DeKoning are in that contest, we didn't need another tall in there. Weitering's positioned himself between the contest and the goals.

Yep, I watched that presentation from Lloyd and it was embarrassing how shambolic our defence was. Really embarrassing.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #57 –
I doubt defence had much to do with that loss given the coal-face was a demolition, we might look at defence and assert it has to be better, but we still would not win after the way we were dominated over the other 66% of the field. Our F50 structure and function evaporated, it was pretty much non-existent with or without the footy.

In some respects, focussing on the defence errors is a diversion / distraction from the real problem. The Crows smashed us at stoppages and ran unhindered in waves out of their own D50, they made us look like clowns as they moved the ball through the midfield, it was like a primary school game of keepings off.

Any defence will fail in that circumstance, the method of failure might vary subject to strengths and weaknesses, but it will still fail.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #58 –
Quote from: LP – on
I doubt defence had much to do with that loss given the coal-face was a demolition, we might look at defence and assert it has to be better, but we still would not win after the way we were dominated over the other 66% of the field. Our F50 structure and function evaporated, it was pretty much non-existent with or without the footy.

In some respects, focussing on the defence errors is a diversion / distraction from the real problem. The Crows smashed us at stoppages and ran unhindered in waves out of their own D50, they made us look like clowns as they moved the ball through the midfield, it was like a primary school game of keepings off.

Any defence will fail in that circumstance, the method of failure might vary subject to strengths and weaknesses, but it will still fail.

There's no doubt about that.
The Jekyll and Hyde stuff is never down to just one issue, or one line.
It's a combination of things breaking down in a number of areas.
I suspect footage of our mid-field and forward lines would be equally shambolic.
It puts additional pressure on any defender when the ball is coming at them in waves.

It is concerning from the point of view that our defence has stood up pretty well this year.
Even when we were losing to sides early in the year the defence has been solid.
It just seemed terribly unorganised on the weekend.

It highlights another issue...
At different times this year we've had one or two key players missing from our forward and backline.
One or two shouldn't make a huge difference to our structure....but it does seem to impact more than it should.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #59 –
That game was a 22 man failure.