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That game was a 22 man failure.

I doubt defence had much to do with that loss given the coal-face was a demolition, we might look at defence and assert it has to be better, but we still would not win after the way we were dominated over the other 66% of the field. Our F50 structure and function evaporated, it was pretty much non-existent with or without the footy.

In some respects, focussing on the defence errors is a diversion / distraction from the real problem. The Crows smashed us at stoppages and ran unhindered in waves out of their own D50, they made us look like clowns as they moved the ball through the midfield, it was like a primary school game of keepings off.

Any defence will fail in that circumstance, the method of failure might vary subject to strengths and weaknesses, but it will still fail.

My favourite part was the long kick down the line to Charlie Curnow who somehow was outnumbered 3 to 1 and being held at every contest.   Beyond that, the occasional kick it to motlop who was standinga gainst a much taller opponent.  Probably needed to skid the ball in along the ground with some mongrel kicks at ground level and create some chaos, but our team doesnt seem to like that approach.

Look at the size of our injury list going into every and every game this year.....and look at the corresponding result that followed.

Regardless of the opposition, there is a very distinct pattern there.

The fittest we've been all year was Rounds 5-7, and our best results followed.

So yes, its personnel, yes its structure, yes its coaching, yes its effort.....but all of them are very strongly linked to the players you have available.
People don't want excuses, but people don't listen to reasons.

Structurally, experience and effort wise, missing silvagni and cottrell (and williams) left a big hole compared to the week before.
356 games experience by the 3 forced outs.
276 games by the 3 ins (175 of which was docherty who is not in good form and playing his final year IMO)

We need to have adequate cover for people going out and currently, we don't. Results swing based on who is playing, rather than who we are playing against.

Unsurprisingly, no Carlton player in the Coaches' votes. Tells a tale.

This is just a stinker. I'll wait until next week to see more of what is happening. That will tell me more about last Saturday. I've seen us stink games up worse in premiership seasons.  You don't do what we did against Geelong to go back to last week without a good reason. You beat Geelong as we did then you can play. A win or loss next week will tell me more, eg usual crappy attitude v feeling absolutely flat from the Geelong game, which was brutal.

Quote from: kruddler – on May 05, 2025, 01:37:17 pm

Look at the size of our injury list going into every and every game this year.....and look at the corresponding result that followed.

Regardless of the opposition, there is a very distinct pattern there.

The fittest we've been all year was Rounds 5-7, and our best results followed.

So yes, its personnel, yes its structure, yes its coaching, yes its effort.....but all of them are very strongly linked to the players you have available.
People don't want excuses, but people don't listen to reasons.

Structurally, experience and effort wise, missing silvagni and cottrell (and williams) left a big hole compared to the week before.
356 games experience by the 3 forced outs.
276 games by the 3 ins (175 of which was docherty who is not in good form and playing his final year IMO)

We need to have adequate cover for people going out and currently, we don't. Results swing based on who is playing, rather than who we are playing against.

Crows had a few out as well...Murray their Fullback, Hinge and Crouch both regulars, for sure we struggle with injuries but is that more to do with we have zero depth in several key positions and a lot of the other decent teams can cover their players better?

Look at the size of our injury list going into every and every game this year.....and look at the corresponding result that followed.

Regardless of the opposition, there is a very distinct pattern there.

The fittest we've been all year was Rounds 5-7, and our best results followed.

So yes, its personnel, yes its structure, yes its coaching, yes its effort.....but all of them are very strongly linked to the players you have available.
People don't want excuses, but people don't listen to reasons.

Structurally, experience and effort wise, missing silvagni and cottrell (and williams) left a big hole compared to the week before.
356 games experience by the 3 forced outs.
276 games by the 3 ins (175 of which was docherty who is not in good form and playing his final year IMO)

We need to have adequate cover for people going out and currently, we don't. Results swing based on who is playing, rather than who we are playing against.

@shawny those losses dont talk about the way the game was played.

The bulldogs result was one of 8 points at the death, with a second half performance that saw us make errors to cause that.  Thats not about capability, but ability to execute in pressure moments.

The Richmond game is one of mentality.  We cruised to 42 points up, and then when the game became a bit more chaotic were not able to bring composure and control into the game to combat it.  Execution the issue, not ability but you could argue capability in these circumstances. 

Adelaide loss was akin to the Richmond one, where we were unable to change the game and put it on our terms.  We were beaten soundly at every line, but this is not one that speaks for ability.  It speaks about execution, and capability to perform under intense pressure.

This is somewhat seperate to what players can and cannot do.  Games of experience are important for a variety of reasons.  Its what causes players to be unable to execute under pressure.  The more inexperience you have in concentrated areas of the park, the more this issue compounds.  Charlie and Harry have not had a lot continuity lately.  Motlop and Durdin have played about 15 games at the same time as the aforementioned all together. 

Our midfield group was the one that has the most games playing together, and it was obliterated, so once we were beaten there, a relatively inexperienced backline group (Haynes and Ollie Hollands have played about 7 games in the same defense) then it starts to unravel a little.  We are on what, year 4 of the Voss coaching regime?  69 games into his coaching of our footy club, after what I can only label as a lack of continuity in club leadership.  Matthew Nicks is on 114 games with that group.  You could argue that they have had less wholesale changes in their group and adjustment of strategy in that time, as a fair whack of it is the continuation from Don Pyke, who coached there for 4 years and another 88 games.  Thats 2 senior coaches for a club that soundly beat us, where we have gone from Malthouse into a giant rebuild, massive player movement, into Bolton, Teague and now Voss.  Who are all different coaches, and have effectively had to have major shifts in what we are doing. 

Is it any wonder that our system fails to stand up so regularly when challenged?  The biggest challenge that I see for any coach of Carlton over the last 10 years (which takes us back to Mick Malthouse) is the sheer lack of continuity of strategy.  This translates to what we see at times in games.  Particularly once you start taking experienced players out of our team.  Williams, Newman, JSOS are big enough losses for us to have a bit of a mare when you start putting it all together particularly if our opponent is on the same page. 

Our form is poorer than our ability and capability, and im not sure what getting emotional about it all will achieve but happy to hear you vent your frustrations.