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Re: Lewis Young

Reply #45 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

McGovern has given us nothing and got a healthy initial contract.
Been a recruiting fail....

If he was paid less, would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got and lost the other half because we 'had to use it or lose it' is that good recruiting?
If he paid us to play it would still be poor recruiting...

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #46 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


If he was paid less, would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got and lost the other half because we 'had to use it or lose it' is that good recruiting?
If he paid us to play it would still be poor recruiting...

Never the jellyfish and no flip flopping from EB 🤣
I think this year was Govs worst for us.
When he’s confident he’s fairly good or maybe he’s confident when he’s fairly good, dunno but he wasn’t this year.
He attacks, so I expect an error or two.
I guess if he’s fringe 22 we could do a lot worse.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #47 –
Back to Lewis young, he was given the option to move and decided he would rather tough it put with us. 

On the back of the last 12 months that lifts him up a few notches especially compared to other more capable players.

Hes our bastard.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Back to Lewis young, he was given the option to move and decided he would rather tough it put with us. 

On the back of the last 12 months that lifts him up a few notches especially compared to other more capable players.

Hes our bastard.

Yes Thry, that’s the point I was trying to make.

Even if Lewis just provides depth, it’s good to have blokes who just try their best to do what’s asked of them, even if that best leaves a bit to be desired.

Gov’s in the same boat but isn’t as durable as Young.  It was astute list management to bring him on board, particularly since the claims about his contract value are rubbery.  If he’s going to be let go, as seems likely, it will be because we’ve got a better replacement lined up.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Back to Lewis young, he was given the option to move and decided he would rather tough it put with us. 

On the back of the last 12 months that lifts him up a few notches especially compared to other more capable players.

Hes our bastard.
Or was it there was no interest in him and seeing out his contract was his only option. Never understood how his form tapered after a very good first year where he was very safe with the ball and ultra reliable..
 

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #50 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Back to Lewis young, he was given the option to move and decided he would rather tough it put with us. 

On the back of the last 12 months that lifts him up a few notches especially compared to other more capable players.

Hes our bastard.
Or was it there was no interest in him and seeing out his contract was his only option. Never understood how his form tapered after a very good first year where he was very safe with the ball and ultra reliable..
you can thank weitering for that.  He was not very forgiving of young, and placed him under pressure to perform.  Ruined his confidence.

Maybe he didnt have options maybe he did.  Either way he elected to take the route of stay at Carlton.  Maybe he saw the storm coming and said percentages say im better off staying.  Who knows. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
you can thank weitering for that.  He was not very forgiving of young, and placed him under pressure to perform.  Ruined his confidence.

Maybe he didnt have options maybe he did.  Either way he elected to take the route of stay at Carlton.  Maybe he saw the storm coming and said percentages say im better off staying.  Who knows.

I’m not so sure about Weitering’s role.  He has always been supportive of his fellow defenders and particularly Plow and Marchy.  I suspect that, if anyone put Young under pressure, it would have been Sammy Hamill.

Yes, we don’t know what was put to Young or what his options were.  All we know is that he’s still on our list and trying his hardest to get a spot in the 23.

That’s good enough for me.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #52 –
Good luck to him, there is certainly an opportunity open.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Or was it there was no interest in him and seeing out his contract was his only option. Never understood how his form tapered after a very good first year where he was very safe with the ball and ultra reliable..
you can thank weitering for that.  He was not very forgiving of young, and placed him under pressure to perform.  Ruined his confidence.

Maybe he didnt have options maybe he did.  Either way he elected to take the route of stay at Carlton.  Maybe he saw the storm coming and said percentages say im better off staying.  Who knows. 

My memory says that Young was very good without Weitering… truth or perception 🤷🏼‍♂️
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #54 –
Focussing on Young is a smokescreen, our fortunes do not hinge on the likes of Lewis Young.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #55 –
Quote from: LP – on
Focussing on Young is a smokescreen, our fortunes do not hinge on the likes of Lewis Young.
But he might have a role, or two, or three, next season. And losing a key forward, ruckman, and key defender means that for the time being, Lewis Young might be a person of real importance for us next year. As a role player.

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #56 –
Quote from: LP – on
Focussing on Young is a smokescreen, our fortunes do not hinge on the likes of Lewis Young.

I think they do, but only as one piece of the puzzle that is on field success.

If you can bear watching it, the highlights of Young's first game show a very different footballer. Apart from kicking a grubber, Young was playing with a freedom, flair and aggression that seems to have been coached out him.  Playing at CHB on Levi Casboult, Young had 21 disposals and nine marks and kept Levi to four marks and one goal (and a poster from 15m out and almost directly in front).

Ash Hansen has been an assistant coach throughout Young's career, and perhaps that's part of the problem.  If Hansen can turn the clock back and get Young playing as he did in that first game, or even as he did in 2022, our defence will be more solid and a springboard to attack.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #57 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
you can thank weitering for that.  He was not very forgiving of young, and placed him under pressure to perform.  Ruined his confidence.

Maybe he didnt have options maybe he did.  Either way he elected to take the route of stay at Carlton.  Maybe he saw the storm coming and said percentages say im better off staying.  Who knows. 

My memory says that Young was very good without Weitering… truth or perception 🤷🏼‍♂️
I think you're memory is correct.  Youngs best footy is played sans weitering but I dont know enough to understand why. 

Perhaps he thrives on more leadership in defense rather than being told where to go and what to do.  I think weitering is guilty of playing mister fix it at time when he doesnt have faith in his teamates.   This actually works against everyone involved and sees us concede goals too easily at times but im not sure if its because someone else left a man, or if weitering did to cover someone else who ended up out of position.

Im a round ball defender.  I can play all roles in a Sunday league team in defense and was guilty of trying to do too much at times.  Found the less I did personally and the more instructions I barked the better everyone played.  Took maturity to figure that out.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #58 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
My memory says that Young was very good without Weitering… truth or perception 🤷🏼‍♂️

Perception I think.

Young's best season for us was 2022 when he and Weiters played 15 games together.  Young's worst games that season were during that mid-season period when Weiters was out injured.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball