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Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #30 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Needed Walsh and Hewett to stand up and they didn't.

I thought Pitto was good - but why put 16 players behind the ball with 15 minutes to go and a goal down only to cop another goal. That's on the leaders.
Apart from a couple of nice taps to Cripps in the 1st and a couple of marks around the ground, Grundy slaughtered Pittonet. Hewett stood up, Walsh didn't cope with the tag.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #31 –
Injuries have always cruelled our seasons.
This one is no exception.
Until we can build a durable team and have a few quality players in the cupboard we will always miss out.
We all know with a full squad we are pretty good.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #32 –
Next week is a must win now or season over.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #33 –
Whilst we are playing the likes of carroll, white, binns, Evans, we have limited levers to pull. 

Evans out fogarty in, and you can swing that magnet a little more.

Carroll out cowan in and you can move moo around a bit as he's a bit tougher and better over head so when you lose silvagni it hurts the structure less.  Moo also seems to pinch hit up field a bit better as he is more two way than Carroll.  Releases jsos and Haynes more with him in.

Binns, is an outside mid who can take a turn on ball.  You won't see him at half back too much, and he isn't creative enough forward and too small at the ball drop. 

Lord is a little one dimensional too.  He's an inside mid and not really much of a link player giving you an outlet over head. 

White's not a bad player but he just wasn't getting near the footy.

Durdin was another who wasn't getting near it enough.  Thing is he has wheels, and can take a mark.

Motlop.  Not enough tricks for a player like him.  When the ball is in the open, and you aren't the type to grab it in the air you need to be clean and quick over the grass.  That run into goal effort he battled well until he tried to grab it and take on the opponent.  Rather than try draw the high free use some guile to keep the ball locked in or go off the deck.  Find a teamate.  Something.  None of this glory town stuff.

Did Harry hurt himself somewhere in the game?  Was relatively unsighted after quarter time and he was the one really up and about early.  Knee strapping i noticed later.  He often has strapping but I thought maybe one of his diving mark efforts might have caused an issue there.

 There were a few moments I think we'd like to have back again.

Curnow, hewett and walsh all got caught holding the ball in pretty ordinary circumstances.   Curnow not taking that set shot speaks for our mentality.  Kick the goal from a set shot when youre within 30.  None of this peft foot snap nom preferred.  No need.  Deca
Lating doesnt begin to describe it.  That shot for goal by Evans was the worst set shot I've seen since casboult and even his ugly mongs got closer.

Cincotta will come back in a few weeks and once in won't go out of the team i think. Has heels, strong in the contest, makes good decisions, can defend, is relatively no nonsense and will pop up for goals.  Ultimately we have too many non performers getting a game, and too many out to really do any damage.  I think we are better off getting time into players to find out what their worth is, gear up for next season. Get docherty back in the ones.  I know he hasn't played well this season, but we need to work out if he's going to come good and vfl is just too much of a step down.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #34 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on

Cincotta will come back in a few weeks and once in won't go out of the team i think. Has heels, strong in the contest, makes good decisions, can defend, is relatively no nonsense and will pop up for goals.  Ultimately we have too many non performers getting a game, and too many out to really do any damage.  I think we are better off getting time into players to find out what their worth is, gear up for next season. Get docherty back in the ones.  I know he hasn't played well this season, but we need to work out if he's going to come good and vfl is just too much of a step down.
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Yes Thry, looking like a season where we need to try various players  and see if they have the "skills under pressure" . Eg. Moir, Lemony, Wilson, O'keef etc, plus manage the young bodied Silvagni boys carefully.  Last night we had several boys with potential in "learning the game" like White and Carol.  Liked Lord's game, good pick up and has the skill level IMO

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on

Cincotta will come back in a few weeks and once in won't go out of the team i think. Has heels, strong in the contest, makes good decisions, can defend, is relatively no nonsense and will pop up for goals.  Ultimately we have too many non performers getting a game, and too many out to really do any damage.  I think we are better off getting time into players to find out what their worth is, gear up for next season. Get docherty back in the ones.  I know he hasn't played well this season, but we need to work out if he's going to come good and vfl is just too much of a step down.
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Yes Thry, looking like a season where we need to try various players  and see if they have the "skills under pressure" . Eg. Moir, Lemony, Wilson, O'keef etc, plus manage the young bodied Silvagni boys carefully.  Last night we had several boys with potential in "learning the game" like White and Carol.  Liked Lord's game, good pick up and has the skill level IMO

Ab

ps:  No need to waste time and emotion talking about Evans!!!.   Back to the twos

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #36 –
Who cares?

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #37 –
We may be in a position to try experimenting sooner rather than later. ::)

At the moment were judging on a week to week basis.
Pessimists in this week.
Optimists in next week....depending on the result.

The reality is probably that we're not as good as some think we are, but we're also better than some think we are.
We're a middle of the road team.
And one of the things that we're very dependent on is structure.
A lot of teams seem to be able to adapt to that 'one soldier out, another soldier in' philosophy.
The problem is our soldiers vary from SAS to 'Sad Sacks'
Our structure doesn't hold up when key components go missing.
And they often go missing.
For every one of our players who are out injured we probably have just as many playing injured.

There seem to have been attempts to add a bit of versatility to our side by trying players in different positions.
Some have come off, like Silvagni...but Silvagni has always had that element of versatility.
Kemp was a work in progress and we don't really know how that one would have worked this year.
The thing is with Haynes, Weitering and Silvagni it's unlikely there is a position in defence for him.

With some important list decisions coming up there has to come a point where we find out about a few players on the fringe in both the seniors and VFL in a number of positions.

The time to alter focus from the present to the future is probably only a game or two away.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #38 –
No surprises. Same old same old. In fact, looked pretty much the same as the beginning of the season... opposition ups the ante in the second half, discipline and leadership wilt. Mentally tired or physically spent? Maybe both.

We were informed at the beginning of the season that inconsistency would be addressed. When will that be addressed, exactly? Inconsistency is still our brand.

Reward for effort (scoreboard) remains an issue. Just seems that our small forwards are trained as small defenders on the forward line. Early on in his career Mots was creative and dangerous around goals. Has that creativity not been nurtured and built upon? More recently, White who showed creative flair early. Now? Gone. Another dour defender in the forward line. Now I understand why Frankie was recruited. He's our kind of small forward - strong defensively.

Interesting that Rottingwood is also a very good side defensively, but get better as the game goes on... and have a number of gears. We seem to have one focus, keep the opposition to under 80pts. We achieved that against the Fluffy Ducks. Tick. Maybe our 'team defense' is not as good as we believe? Seems the top clubs are very good at defense, and can hit the scoreboard - nourishment/reward for effort. Us, the Go Dees and Aints are all dour. Mm, let's check out ladder positions.

I can't help but wonder if we actually know what we're doing, coaching wise.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The problem is our soldiers vary from SAS to 'Sad Sacks'

Showing your age with that reference Lods.  :))
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
No surprises. Same old same old. In fact, looked pretty much the same as the beginning of the season... opposition ups the ante in the second half, discipline and leadership wilt. Mentally tired or physically spent? Maybe both.

We were informed at the beginning of the season that inconsistency would be addressed. When will that be addressed, exactly? Inconsistency is still our brand.

Reward for effort (scoreboard) remains an issue. Just seems that our small forwards are trained as small defenders on the forward line. Early on in his career Mots was creative and dangerous around goals. Has that creativity not been nurtured and built upon? More recently, White who showed creative flair early. Now? Gone. Another dour defender in the forward line. Now I understand why Frankie was recruited. He's our kind of small forward - strong defensively.

Interesting that Rottingwood is also a very good side defensively, but get better as the game goes on... and have a number of gears. We seem to have one focus, keep the opposition to under 80pts. We achieved that against the Fluffy Ducks. Tick. Maybe our 'team defense' is not as good as we believe? Seems the top clubs are very good at defense, and can hit the scoreboard - nourishment/reward for effort. Us, the Go Dees and Aints are all dour. Mm, let's check out ladder positions.

I can't help but wonder if we actually know what we're doing, coaching wise.
Voss identified the problems in his presser that we were beaten in the clearances and also pre match knew that Heeney and Warner were going to be the problems but the planning for them didn't hold up once they got rolling. You didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that if Heeney and Warner got 30 plus possessions each we were going to struggle much like when you play Collingwood and you have to control the Daicos kids or you lose.
We didnt seem to have a plan B, C, D etc and I thought once his plan A wasn't working we just let the game ride and gave up.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #42 –
The blokes who turned the game for the Swans were Amartey an Rampe, they basically started charging through contests without regard throwing elbows and shoulders, and we didn't have anyone willing to challenge them physically. They hardly touched the footy but they had an impact.

What I don't get is how they get away with it without penalty, and it's not like the herringbone headed moron doesn't stand out when he charges through a pack?

Week after week we are having players belted in the side of the head, some of the incidents are straight out punches hiding in plain site as piss-weak spoils, and we aren't getting the free kicks! It is not like it's always little blokes, BigH, Cripps, McGovern, SoJ are among the victims.

Adding insult to injury, Heeney out in the media after the game saying they knew they would run over us, it's a pattern, but then again the Swans have inside info regarding fitness. Is that just Heeney throwing a rock at a former colleague, or an insider insight?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #43 –
The bloody consistency. When we play well we beat anyone, but we are so on and off, often during the same game. More than anything we have to get on top of consistency issues. Soon as we look like getting on terms, re wins and losses, we fall in a heap. Get on top of that and we are a side.

Likely to go pump GWS nest week then lose to Essendon the week after. We have a decent chance to put ourselves ahead of the ledger over the next 4 weeks, let's see if it happens.

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Reply #44 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Couldn't control Heeney and his mate Warner for 4 quarters, same old story...

I thought the same and as you say its the same story. I mean blind Freddy could see Heeney was the one who was going to impact the result yet still left to roam without a hard tag. Why??

I've said it countless times the footy IQ of this list is sub par and the coaching is also not anywhere near that of the competing teams.

I rate Walsh but how many times is he going to be caught napping or just poor positioning resulting in goals at critical times. Why does he not know how to defend a smart player at a stoppage. The one where he was facing Warner with his back to the play with no clue at all where the ball was just beyond stupid. Warner is quick so by the time he has reacted its a shot on goal. How can it be that a player in the system for that long is so out of his depth in set play situations.  Do these blokes not train that sort of thing. 

Our blokes give effort and i really do think they care but my gosh teams like the pies make us look like absolute amateurs.