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Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #105 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I think that's how poorly administered AFL teams work (sackings). Carlton was poorly administered (ie board, CEO etc). Voss will see out his contract as a minimum, if they think he hasn't performed at that point he mightn't be renewed. He will not be sacked before the contract is up.

I agree. Drawing a simplistic straight line between coach and results has not worked before and it won't work now. We need correct thought processes that lead to correct action, and we need to be asking good questions that lead to good answers. The process needs to be conducted by people who know what they're doing, yielding data that is not gerrymandered and will help us improve. The next coach won't be the answer and Graham Wright won't be the Messiah.

Wright is not a messiah but like Cook is a very good operator and when you compare them to the previous dingbats we've had, I think we are now in good hands.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #106 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Wright is not a messiah but like Cook is a very good operator and when you compare them to the previous dingbats we've had, I think we are now in good hands.

I agree, but we've had plenty of good operators over the years, and pretty much burned them all. Whether it's administrators, coaches, star players, it's a long list.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #107 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Wright is not a messiah but like Cook is a very good operator and when you compare them to the previous dingbats we've had, I think we are now in good hands.

I agree, but we've had plenty of good operators over the years, and pretty much burned them all. Whether it's administrators, coaches, star players, it's a long list.

It is a long list, but i don't think we've ever had this much talent, potential and stability all at the 1 time.

We are closer to success than we have ever been IMO. We just need a couple things to click. Grab a couple 'roll players' in the off-season and we are away.

Off-field we are a success.
On-field we have plenty of talent.
We just don't have enough players fit enough for long enough to field enough talent.
Get a few extra players, get a bit of luck with keeping others fit.
Success will come on-field as well.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #108 –
Think we should look at 2 qtr games, We are clearly on top of the half time ladder with 9 "wins" from 10 games...lol!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #109 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
It is a long list, but i don't think we've ever had this much talent, potential and stability all at the 1 time.

We are closer to success than we have ever been IMO. We just need a couple things to click. Grab a couple 'roll players' in the off-season and we are away.

Off-field we are a success.
On-field we have plenty of talent.
We just don't have enough players fit enough for long enough to field enough talent.
Get a few extra players, get a bit of luck with keeping others fit.
Success will come on-field as well.

I agree.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #110 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Wright is not a messiah but like Cook is a very good operator and when you compare them to the previous dingbats we've had, I think we are now in good hands.

I agree, but we've had plenty of good operators over the years, and pretty much burned them all. Whether it's administrators, coaches, star players, it's a long list.

By admin I meant board and executive management team. Our factional board (Pratts and Mathiesons) was a disgrace for decades.
The only good CEO we had was Greg Swann and yes we burnt him, the rest were utterly terrible.
Coaches? The board burnt every single one of them.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #111 –
Quote from: laj – on
Think we should look at 2 qtr games, We are clearly on top of the half time ladder with 9 "wins" from 10 games...lol!


 :))  :))  :)) Yep, we're the first half specialists.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #112 –
Still baffled how coaches couldnt motivate the players in the last qtr and leaders not standing up.
Pressure rating in last qtr 175 to Sydneys 210 - our pressure rating first half was hitting consistent 220s
Weak and heartless - in particular when top eight was there to be had.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #113 –
Hird and Bartel both critical of our game plan for Heeney and Warner when both played  in the middle and playing a stoppage to stoppage game plan which is too old for the modern game where we struggle to advance the ball forward especially when we get behind and other teams are playing the quick hand pass forward run on style.
Then we had the Hamling tag on Weitering cutting him out of the game again that was just let slide.
The second half fade outs and lack of scoring stem from a neanderthal game style and a coaching staff that can't adjust tactics mid game and show any innovation.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #114 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Hird and Bartel both critical of our game plan for Heeney and Warner when both played  in the middle and playing a stoppage to stoppage game plan which is too old for the modern game where we struggle to advance the ball forward especially when we get behind and other teams are playing the quick hand pass forward run on style.
Then we had the Hamling tag on Weitering cutting him out of the game again that was just let slide.
The second half fade outs and lack of scoring stem from a neanderthal game style and a coaching staff that can't adjust tactics mid game and show any innovation.

Clearly Jimmy will fix that when he is head of football.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #115 –
We will never be a serious threat until we get some speed into our game and dispose of the ball more cleanly.  Our half-back line is about as smooth moving as lava.

Our clear target for recruitment should be outside run and ball skills, both of which are sadly sub-par at Ikon Park.

And stop playing dud small forwards who have been consistently found wanting.   When I watch Bobby Hill, Kysiah Pickett, Nick Watson, Tyson Stengle etc go to work, it makes me want to spew.  That is the missing ingredient - we consistently win inside 50s but get minimal return for the effort.

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #116 –
Quote from: rocky – on

You know what the really depressing thing is, Doc was probably the best in the magoos again this week. Sigh.

Should we have played Doc and had him run with Heeney all game??   He is about the only one on the list I could think of that could match him on-ball, and when he goes forward  (the other was Cincotta).  He couldnt have been worse than Evans/White/Binns

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #117 –
Quote from: shawny – on


Thing is they also had a team well below its full strength. No Gulden, McDonald, Adams, Mills, Papley. Plus next year it will be pit in and TDK out so better gets used to that one.


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Not an excuse - as we were terrible in the 2nd half.  but i did hear this a bit over the weekend, re the Swans being injury hit

Pretty sure Adams & Mills played in the 2s and arent considered 1s players anymore for them. 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #118 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Hird and Bartel both critical of our game plan for Heeney and Warner when both played  in the middle and playing a stoppage to stoppage game plan which is too old for the modern game where we struggle to advance the ball forward especially when we get behind and other teams are playing the quick hand pass forward run on style.
Then we had the Hamling tag on Weitering cutting him out of the game again that was just let slide.
The second half fade outs and lack of scoring stem from a neanderthal game style and a coaching staff that can't adjust tactics mid game and show any innovation.


And there you have it in a nutshell, EB1. I saw the same analysis and it echoed exactly what a few of us have been highlighting on here.

Another analysis, which followed similar lines, was Gerard W., Adam S., and Luke H., on SEN. Well worth a listen/watch.

Frustrating to hear Vossy talk of our impressive body of work. Delusional? If our body of work is judged on first halves for the year, then, yep, really impressive - in the top four for leading at half time (nine out of ten games in front). If our body of work is judged on our second halves for the year - we're bottom four. If our body of work is judged on disposals per score when inside fifty - bottom four. If our body of work is judged on ladder position after ten rounds - oh dear. And getting 'pissed off' at, presumably, Cripps, Hewett or Cerra for not curtailing Heaney and Warner in the second half of Friday night's game is pretty ordinary. Pretty close to publicly embarrassing those blokes - these things should stay in house. Expecting blokes who are not quick to suddenly run around like gazelles in the final qtr after three gruelling qtrs is pretty ordinary, especially considering how quick over the grass Heaney and Warner are!

Ignoring the fact we have some pretty glaring issues is real head-in-the-sand stuff. Seems a reality that our game plan is archaic/gruelling, our conversion in forward 50 is poor and our run and spread (modern game) is below standard. Unfortunately, this has been the norm now for a good many years.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 10 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #119 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Still baffled how coaches couldnt motivate the players in the last qtr and leaders not standing up.
Pressure rating in last qtr 175 to Sydneys 210 - our pressure rating first half was hitting consistent 220s
Weak and heartless - in particular when top eight was there to be had.

I don't think our boys were weak, they gave everything but in that last quarter they were just knackered owing to our labour intensive game plan.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17