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Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #15 –
My comments in colour, interspersed.
Quote from: kruddler – on
There's plenty of negative posters who will bring the thread down, but before they do let me list some positives from tonight. Alas, most of us do fall to that from time to time. It is what we get for following a club that has disappointed us for so long. I always had faith in us when I was growing up. It is much harder to these days.

1. HOK. Big skull looked like he deserved to be out there. Play him next week. Need to get games into him now, especially if TDK leaves. Skull didn't fare that well in the ruck, but he took half a dozen clutch marks. I was really pleased by that. His kicking needs work, but even that is improving. A Big Plus from me!

2. Cincotta came back and played like we all remember he can. Hopefully he can stay fit from now, we are a better side with him in it. Cincotta was terribly fumbly tonight, and had only 3 possessions, but he kept Merrett ineffective. He will get better, but he is a long way off the pace at the moment. But as long as he does his job, he should remain.[/color

3. Williams came back and kicked a couple and brings a bit of class (and experience) to our forwards. Need to keep him fit as well. Williams was our best small forward tonight, even though Motlop got as many goals. Williams' disposal in the forward line is really important. 15 disposals first back and 2 goals was a good contribution.

4. 4 points. That's what we needed to get. That's what we got. Anything else is noise. Yes, we desperately needed a win, and we did it against the team higher than us on the ladder.

5. Got Eagles and North in the coming weeks. Lets get these baby steps up to a full on sprint in the next few weeks. Yes, we need to win these two games and win them well to gain some confidence and work on our system. We were unbeatable in the 1st quarter, poor in the 3th and good enough but for our finishing in the last. Lots of work to do yet.
Other important positives:
[1] Silvagni has become important to our defence. it is so much better with him there. He was a bit fumbly as well, but he concentrated well on his opponent and didn't let him into the game.
On the other hand, Jacob Weitering is still struggling. He moved slowly and didn't get to contests that he usually did. Thankfully, he saw out the game and, hopefully, will be better for the run.

[2] Sam Walsh's best game for a while. Still, he isn't even close to back to his best. He make some crucial errors by foot (like his last shot at goal) and still tried to do too much, but a lot more worked for him tonight. He did some very important things. Considering that he didn't have a pre-season, where guys usually get fit, he is a solid contributor. Hopefully, his back can be managed for the rest of his career.

[3] McGovern played forward for most of the game (except the last quarter), which helped him. He didn't make so many clangers (he leads the AFL in them). But he could, and did, go back when required.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
For mine, silvagni was our most important player on the night.  Gave caddy an absolute bath.  When he had 2 metre peter for company stitched him up too.

They ended with Gresham playing defensive forward on him and that was the move that made Nick Haynes the more prominent interceptor and that almost swung the match in their favour.



Caddy is a joke .   Cheats loving media pumping him up.    And that fraud that had 3 kicks, and 2 of them that were flukes off the ground,,being pumped up,by the commentators, can F off.   Just wait for tmrws comms about the brave young 4cheats midfield that nearly won the game.  Scott will start quoting number of games played etc.  they will lose their next 4 and start talking about how young they are

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #17 –
Serious credit to Jack Silvagni.   As a medium forward/back up ruck I thought he was just a battler.   Not quite tall enough.   Not quite quick enough.   Who would have thought a bloke with the surname Silvagni would thrive in defense.    He was huge tonight and has had a great season.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #18 –
We are a bit rudderless at the moment with a lack of leadership from Cripps, Weitering and Curnow......what could / should we read into that??

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #19 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
We are a bit rudderless at the moment with a lack of leadership from Cripps, Weitering and Curnow......what could / should we read into that??
Not one of those three is anywhere near close to normal fitness at the moment. They will survive the year, hopefully, and work towards being right for 2025. But it does hurt us that our usual champs are not showing the way as they can do.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #20 –
We invent new ways every week to do dumb things.

There needs to be some serious remedial classes on hitting targets by hand and foot - we are our own worst enemy.  The round-the-back game plan doesn't help either - it is only ever one mis-kick away from a slingshot goal to the opposition.

I think O'Keefe showed more than enough to be persisted with.  His long shot at goal in the last quarter didn't miss by much, and he does seem to have good hands.

The two key players for me were Silvagni and Hollands.  

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #21 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
We are a bit rudderless at the moment with a lack of leadership from Cripps, Weitering and Curnow......what could / should we read into that??
Weiter has had a couple of bad games but I dont know about lack of leadership from him. Hard to tell with him, Im sure he directs traffic out on the ground. Cripps does leans more on his actions and I think for the most part he was soundly beaten last night. He moved himself out of the middle in the third try and spark something up fwd. Voss said the move was instigated by Crippa so that's leadership in itself I guess. To me, he who shall not be criticised is not a leaders asshole, plain and simple.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #22 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
We invent new ways every week to do dumb things.

There needs to be some serious remedial classes on hitting targets by hand and foot - we are our own worst enemy.  The round-the-back game plan doesn't help either - it is only ever one mis-kick away from a slingshot goal to the opposition.

I think O'Keefe showed more than enough to be persisted with.  His long shot at goal in the last quarter didn't miss by much, and he does seem to have good hands.

The two key players for me were Silvagni and Hollands. 


Its between the ears, first qtr was how we should play, Cheats upped the pressure and we folded like a deck of cards losing the next three qtrs to fall over the line.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #23 –
I'm assuming Carroll had some injury.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #24 –
I assume Cripps has an injury?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #25 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
We are a bit rudderless at the moment with a lack of leadership from Cripps, Weitering and Curnow......what could / should we read into that??
Not one of those three is anywhere near close to normal fitness at the moment. They will survive the year, hopefully, and work towards being right for 2025. But it does hurt us that our usual champs are not showing the way as they can do.

You could probably throw in McKay as well.
These guys have been good campaigners but the reality is that they're also aging players.
Injury on injury will take it's toll as they get older.
Cripps especially plays a physical game and the other three have shouldered the burden of a lot of attention from opposition.

There's a chance that all may squeeze a year or two of 'best' form in the years ahead.
(Cripps has come back from the "battered and briused" to play great football before.)
There's less a chance that all these players will all do it at the same time.

More likely there will be a gradual decline in performance, not always noticeable, as the years pass.
So really we're looking at an ever decreasing window of opportunity for these guys to achieve ultimate success.

I thought last night's game would answer a few questions as to where the season would go.
But it really didn't.
There were some positive signs from a few players- O'Keefe, Motlop, a half of Walsh
But there was also the loss of a substantial lead that seems to have become a feature of our performance.
I did think the effort was there, especially in the last where we held up fairly well.
It's doubtful if we could have sustained that against some of the better sides.

The next couple of games should be wins.
If they are, and they're good wins it may be the confidence boost we need.
It may be three or four weeks before the real tests come.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #26 –
My partner was annoyed at me last night saying I was too negative about the game and a win is a win. But I cant help but see the reality. We are not a finals contender. We absolutely dropped our bundle when the going got a little tough, we nearly did lose to Essendon.  You can spin it however you like but the reality is we are not a cohesive team, the skill errors we make happen time and again and the around the back does not work because we go too slow and/or don’t hit a target.

Whether that’s coaching or players I feel changes need to happen. We are not ruthless when we should be, we don’t seem to be tough.

I don’t know, the game again had my heart in my mouth in the last when we absolutely obliterated them in the first. Frankly it’s not that enjoyable to watch them play atm, which sucks.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #27 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: crashlander – on
Not one of those three is anywhere near close to normal fitness at the moment. They will survive the year, hopefully, and work towards being right for 2025. But it does hurt us that our usual champs are not showing the way as they can do.
The next couple of games should be wins.
If they are, and they're good wins it may be the confidence boost we need.
It may be three or four weeks before the real tests come.

North have some good tough players with Clarko coaching them, it will not surprise me to lose to them

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #28 –
It seems we also get comfortable with a lead and take the foot off.  Essendon were horrible in the first qtr and bound to improve.

Didn't think we were in danger of losing,  but got a lot closer than it should have.  A couple of moments in the last - White & another player had space at our 50 - White's kick was smothered - goal to Essendon. Motlop an easy shot to go 23 up (I think) misses - goal to Essendon. Just a couple of moments where composure and knowing the importance of execution at that point were missing. Plenty of other egs they're just 2 when it mattered - although game shouldn't have got to that point.

 

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #29 –
Hird blames Cerra's poor technique for getting polaxed.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!