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Re: Iran, I ran so far away - flock of seagulls

Reply #60 –
@Gointocarlton‍ me too, I have several Iranian colleagues, some Catholic who fled and others Muslim who also fled. They still have family back there living in tyranny.

Fanatics have no allies, if you aren't for them you are against them, and you can become against them at any moment, and the tyranny in Iran is truly fanatical. One colleague I had a few years back, who has now moved OS, even had to take steps to avoid being pursued by foreign agents.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Iran, I ran so far away - flock of seagulls

Reply #61 –
Gee, the AI crap around this is conflict is abolutely ridiculous.
Most of it is easy to pick.
Just about all of it is propaganda.

But sifting through it all I'm not sure the 'special military operation' is going exactly to US/Israel expectations.
Is this the rock the 'Don and his minions' perishes on

Actually, the question is..."Is there actually a plan?"

The administration seems to be all over the shop with some of their comments.

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Reply #62 –
There's a concept of a plan.

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Reply #63 –
Get the feeling this war is all about expanding the borders of a certain country, covetous eyes being turned towards someone else's orange groves and olive orchards...
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There's a concept of a plan.
yeah its the Denis denuto vibe.

Its mabo its just the vibe. It seemed like the right thing to do, you know bomb a country. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #65 –
Surely the main plan is to get Epstein off the front pages again.....

He'll run out of targets soon enough.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #66 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Surely the main plan is to get Epstein off the front pages again.....

He'll run out of targets soon enough.

The problem is that the US has run out of munitions.  Despite Taco's protestations to the contrary, they've used almost everything they've got and they're hoping that a round table with arms manufacturers will boost production.  They're also hoping that allies will come to the party but Britain, Canada, France, Italy, Poland and Spain have made it clear that it's an illegal war and they won't get involved.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #67 –
The Iran War is headed ... where? Trump is now saying that US troops may take over parts of Iran.

I don't like the Iranian government: theocracies are rarely desirable places to live, but he should really study a little history.
Two quotes that come to mind:
[1] Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant: They make a desolation and call it peace by Tacitus, who supposed quoted an British chieftain, Calgacus.

[2] Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, by George Santayana
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #68 –
Operation Epic Fury, or perhaps that should be Epic Foolishness, is a classic clusterf*ck.

No defined justification, no clear objectives, no exit strategy, no consideration of the vulnerability of the Strait of Hormuz, underestimating the capacity and doggedness of the Iranians, taking the pressure off the Russians, weakening South Korea's air defences, screwing the economy ...

Then there's the human toll.  Apart from death and injury, it's estimated that between 25% and 75% of military personnel serving in the Middle East will suffer from PTSD - and that includes our Wedgetail crew and support staff.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

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Reply #69 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Operation Epic Fury, or perhaps that should be Epic Foolishness, is a classic clusterf*ck.

No defined justification, no clear objectives, no exit strategy, no consideration of the vulnerability of the Strait of Hormuz, underestimating the capacity and doggedness of the Iranians, taking the pressure off the Russians, weakening South Korea's air defences, screwing the economy ...

Then there's the human toll.  Apart from death and injury, it's estimated that between 25% and 75% of military personnel serving in the Middle East will suffer from PTSD - and that includes our Wedgetail crew and support staff.

Yes.

I have a view that isnt gully formed and isnt well fleshed out.

I get the idea that this war had started in earnest a long time ago.

The Russian operation in Ukraine is part of it.  That move never really made a lot of sense to me, but we all know whats happening now.  Without that move, Iran couldnt simply close the straight of Hormuz.  There was an alternate path.  This is the cold war.  What started in Libya had progressed to the right on the map, pretty much in a straight line.  Its the war without war, more skirmishes and positioning.

The power balance was flipping so Iran has simply become the next battle line.  One that is proving too difficult an obstacle.  The nuclear thing is rubbish.  Regime change, also rubbish.  That could have been insighted differently without the open aggression.

There is a scenario of perhaps the Israelis were poking the bear to tune their defenses.  I reckon everyone wants to see the drone capabilities, the cluster missiles and how better to get access to the tech than provoking use of them.

Now you get to see it in the field before someone truly goes on the offensive with it. 

Like I said not well fleshed out, and definitely in theory, but I dont think America is too phased by whats happening and israels palestine, hamas, Lebanon thing is just the continuation of what was going on. That attack in Bondi, was simply a message being sent.  You can hit us anywhere we can hit you from your own populace.

Worrying times, but at the same time likely to fizzle out by design.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson