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Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #60
Interesting thought there Tonyo, that makes sense to me.

I like Voss the person and I was happy he was appointed - remember there was a big push to get Ross Lyon or Clarko / Ross Lyon no thank you, am wondering if some mongrel having Clarko would’ve been beneficial tho, in hindsight.

I was wondering who Voss was giving a spray to. Binns has played a handful Of games ffs and looks to run his arse off. Ok maybe what he wasn’t doing  was creating issues elsewhere I don’t know. But we have some (seemingly) protected star players and I’m not sure berated a kid publicly is the way to go.


Think I lip read what Voss was saying and it was along the lines of play your effing role.

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Reply #61
Think I lip read what Voss was saying and it was along the lines of play your effing role.
100% on the money, he went off at players being individuals, and we all know what individuals are!

Proper c@#$heads!

Maybe Voss needs to have a weekly "JACKO" award, the footy equivalent of a NAGA or Freedman's PINEAPPLE! I'm not sure this generation responds to that sort of stuff well, but it would at least expose those who can cope and those who can't!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #62
On that why was Motlop the sub? And why did we sub Lord for him?
Lord had a shocker, barely touched the pill for 1/2 a game.

That's the problem with fans calling for us to play the kids, they get better through learning but they aren't going to help the squad get better, and the same people that call for the kids to be played will be calling for them to be axed a minute after the final siren.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #63
What I noticed also yesterday was how terrible
Our handballing is - I’ve said before the long slow loping handballs we do, but it’s the inside close ones too - we just could not do it without it being turned over or tackled. Roos did it much better than us.

I don’t believe that players over all the clubs are that much better or worse tbh. To get to AFL level you have a baseline of skills that are more or less same as others on lists / besides the out and out superstars. So it has to come down to skill development. I feel we’ve never developed players very well, generally.  Except the A graders who are well above anyway.

I missed the first quarter too - apparently we missed two goals right in front and not far? How does that happen? Sure crap happens but the same crap seems to happen with us every week.

 

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #64
On that why was Motlop the sub? And why did we sub Lord for him?
Lord had a shocker, barely touched the pill for 1/2 a game.

That's the problem with fans calling for us to play the kids, they get better through learning but they aren't going to help the squad get better, and the same people that call for the kids to be played will be calling for them to be axed a minute after the final siren.
Yep fair enough re Lord - I guess seeing Doch and Fantasia make costly errors makes me call for their head but I acknowledge I may not see the 20 other good disposals they make against a Lord who does nothing wrong but also doesn’t get near it.

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Reply #65
I missed the first quarter too - apparently we missed two goals right in front and not far? How does that happen? Sure crap happens but the same crap seems to happen with us every week.
It's all headspace issues @Micky0 , I'd be sacking the club psychologist Monday morning because our lot isn't coping, they aren't resilient. I've stated this before, it's like we have a play safe mentality in the middle of a war zone. Under pressure limbs turn to jelly, disposal skills suffer, it was fully on show with that post siren kick from McGovern last season.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #66
On McGovern, after his early wobbles I noticed yesterday he was pumping up the team, it was good to see.

Buy why did it take the premature end to his brother's career before he realised this gig isn't going to last!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #67
I haven't commented about this game since it finished; I don't want to regret anything I write more than I have to. I missed the game due to my rib and haven't seen a second of it yet. However, I find it difficult to understand that we can play so meekly against a team we exterminated not many weeks ago. It is a 15 goal turnaround.

Forget sacking the coach on Monday; that sort of overreaction didn't help in the last few years and wouldn't help today.
Forget trading out good players for peanuts; that isn't going to help us in the short term either.
We play another game on Thursday night against another team that is struggling. If we don't show up ...

The thing to do is to learn from our losses. We need to work out who is going to be part of the future and who isn't. We need to work out which coach is doing what we need and which isn't. We need to determine which of the off-field issues is holding us back. We need to reassess our fitness regime. We have 9 matches to do this, as we are not going to play finals.

If there is any issue among the players, we need to find it and address it, so humiliations like this do not happen again.

This draft is looking as ordinary as it was expected to be last year. Yes, we need a couple of decent selections to get guys like Harry Dean and Jack Ison, but I wouldn't b e trading out too much to get those picks. Then we look to the next draft and Cody Walker. That draft cohort is looking stronger at the moment, although it is a fair way from being a fait accompli. Then we need to get our injured players right, so that when the next pre-season starts, they are ready to make an impact.

The time for crying over spilt milk is over; it happened, we can't do anything about that now. Now we prepare for the future and we get it right! 30 years is too long.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #68
It wasn't so long ago that Brisbane and North drew, R9 to be precise, with both teams having the same set shots and the same goals/behinds. It also wasn't so long ago that we beat North by 82 points. Maybe supporters and the AFL world are catastrophizing a little.

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Reply #69
The critical questions...
Do we persist with Voss or not? Do we blow it up and start again?

Who would you pick?
Who is available?
Experienced coaches only.

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Reply #70
I would tell Pagan to ditch the horses and houses and offer him $2M per season.

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Reply #71
I was at the game and haven't watched the replay.....and won't, once was enough.

I had a few suspicions at the ground, and have only just looked into them now

1. Corey Durdin. 75% game time. 7 touches. 0 goals. 0 behinds. 0 tackles. 0 clearances. 0 goal assists. 2 turnovers. 2 clangers.
Why are we playing him? What does he give us? He was useless yesterday.

2. Jesse Motlop. 29% game time. 10 touches 1 goal 1 behind. 1 tackle. 2 clearances.  0 goal assists. 0 turnovers. 1 clanger
Why are we not playing him more? Specifically, in the middle. Every man and his dog has seen him play great footy this year and its no coincidence that his best games are when he is run through the middle. It works. He plays well. Then next week, we stick him in a pocket and wonder why he doesn't perform as well. Put him where the ball is!

3. Weitering. Not sure how much they showed on TV, but weitering was down, looking like he was shot for a good few minutes before they stopped the game and helped him hop/limp off. He was in A LOT of pain rocking back and forth and hitting the ground.
Why we decided to risk him and bring him back i don't understand. Once they did he was next to useless in the contests. He got a couple of good spoil in contests he went too, but he hung out the back in twice as many contests giving them the outnumber. He wasn't trying to be a 'sweeper' either as there was other carlton players  behind the contest doing that job already. He became a liability and put his own health at risk further. Whatever it was, he reinjured it in the 3rd quarter up on the wing and hobbled all the way back to the goal square. Stupid for playing him injured. We've learned nothing from last year.

4. Why didn't we play Lemmey? Was the perfect week to play him. You can guarantee that he would've given his all to 'prove his worth' and not rolled over like so many others did. His size would've helped us with Weiters as well allowing Gov to switch back, or go back himself. But no. Only reason you can justify not playing him is if we've marked his cards and that he will be out the door at seasons end. Charlie clearly wasn't fit and Lemmey could've given us something different.

5. Doc and Saad.....and Haynes. They are on the wrong side of 30. Still got some good footy left, but that is getting few and far between. I think all of them are relatively lucky we don't have a kid coming through taking their spot. Might be a changing of the guard in the off-season if we can't recapture some legitimate form in 2025.

6. Cripps. 2025 version isn't fit to tie 2024 versions shoelaces. He won the brownlow with the biggest tally in history and this year he's lucky to make the bests. He is currently averages his 2nd lowest possession tally since wearing the #9 at carlton. Only covid 2020 has been worse. (Note: he started in #16 in his first season and averaged 9, then switched to #9 and dominated).


 

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #72
I think Terry from Blue Abroad summed it up beautifully, "we are financially thriving and we are spiritually bankrupt".
👏👏👏👏 Hats off to you Terry.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #73
I was at the game and haven't watched the replay.....and won't, once was enough.

I had a few suspicions at the ground, and have only just looked into them now

1. Corey Durdin. 75% game time. 7 touches. 0 goals. 0 behinds. 0 tackles. 0 clearances. 0 goal assists. 2 turnovers. 2 clangers.
Why are we playing him? What does he give us? He was useless yesterday.

2. Jesse Motlop. 29% game time. 10 touches 1 goal 1 behind. 1 tackle. 2 clearances.  0 goal assists. 0 turnovers. 1 clanger
Why are we not playing him more? Specifically, in the middle. Every man and his dog has seen him play great footy this year and its no coincidence that his best games are when he is run through the middle. It works. He plays well. Then next week, we stick him in a pocket and wonder why he doesn't perform as well. Put him where the ball is!

3. Weitering. Not sure how much they showed on TV, but weitering was down, looking like he was shot for a good few minutes before they stopped the game and helped him hop/limp off. He was in A LOT of pain rocking back and forth and hitting the ground.
Why we decided to risk him and bring him back i don't understand. Once they did he was next to useless in the contests. He got a couple of good spoil in contests he went too, but he hung out the back in twice as many contests giving them the outnumber. He wasn't trying to be a 'sweeper' either as there was other carlton players  behind the contest doing that job already. He became a liability and put his own health at risk further. Whatever it was, he reinjured it in the 3rd quarter up on the wing and hobbled all the way back to the goal square. Stupid for playing him injured. We've learned nothing from last year.

4. Why didn't we play Lemmey? Was the perfect week to play him. You can guarantee that he would've given his all to 'prove his worth' and not rolled over like so many others did. His size would've helped us with Weiters as well allowing Gov to switch back, or go back himself. But no. Only reason you can justify not playing him is if we've marked his cards and that he will be out the door at seasons end. Charlie clearly wasn't fit and Lemmey could've given us something different.

5. Doc and Saad.....and Haynes. They are on the wrong side of 30. Still got some good footy left, but that is getting few and far between. I think all of them are relatively lucky we don't have a kid coming through taking their spot. Might be a changing of the guard in the off-season if we can't recapture some legitimate form in 2025.

6. Cripps. 2025 version isn't fit to tie 2024 versions shoelaces. He won the brownlow with the biggest tally in history and this year he's lucky to make the bests. He is currently averages his 2nd lowest possession tally since wearing the #9 at carlton. Only covid 2020 has been worse. (Note: he started in #16 in his first season and averaged 9, then switched to #9 and dominated).


Clarkson learnt from last time and played Larkey up the ground and had him in that Jeremy Cameron type role. That doesnt suit Weitering who looked sore even before he did his ankle imo.
Cincotta on Caleb Daniel was a strange move, didnt like Haynes on Zurhaar or Saad on Curtis either,lucky the latter didnt kick straight. McKercher didnt have an opponent all day not that we had anyone who could catch him and Cripps couldnt break his tag, think it was Powell and no one else did much to help him.
Our small forwards were non effective  I actually thought Williams tried hard when pushed up the ground and was one of our best, not a real fan but credit where its due he looked like he was making an effort unlike some of the others who had been bullied into submission.

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Reply #74
I think Terry from Blue Abroad summed it up beautifully, "we are financially thriving and we are spiritually bankrupt".
👏👏👏👏 Hats off to you Terry.

I also heard that, GTC, and rocked back in my ergonomic chair and clapped. I feel the same way. It's as if our sphincter like game-plan is sucking the soul out of our players and club. The spirit of PP is evaporating. We're a boldness free zone. We are not that bad.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17