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Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #75 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I would tell Pagan to ditch the horses and houses and offer him $2M per season.

Now you're being mischievous, Pauly :))  He'd be happy with half that ;D
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #76 –
Another thing I noticed at the end of the game was our players looked absolutely SPENT! Bizarre! Like cramping etc

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
The critical questions...
Do we persist with Voss or not? Do we blow it up and start again?

Who would you pick?
Who is available?
Experienced coaches only.
John Longmire, come on down......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I was at the game and haven't watched the replay.....and won't, once was enough.

I had a few suspicions at the ground, and have only just looked into them now

1. Corey Durdin. 75% game time. 7 touches. 0 goals. 0 behinds. 0 tackles. 0 clearances. 0 goal assists. 2 turnovers. 2 clangers.
Why are we playing him? What does he give us? He was useless yesterday.

2. Jesse Motlop. 29% game time. 10 touches 1 goal 1 behind. 1 tackle. 2 clearances.  0 goal assists. 0 turnovers. 1 clanger
Why are we not playing him more? Specifically, in the middle. Every man and his dog has seen him play great footy this year and its no coincidence that his best games are when he is run through the middle. It works. He plays well. Then next week, we stick him in a pocket and wonder why he doesn't perform as well. Put him where the ball is!

3. Weitering. Not sure how much they showed on TV, but weitering was down, looking like he was shot for a good few minutes before they stopped the game and helped him hop/limp off. He was in A LOT of pain rocking back and forth and hitting the ground.
Why we decided to risk him and bring him back i don't understand. Once they did he was next to useless in the contests. He got a couple of good spoil in contests he went too, but he hung out the back in twice as many contests giving them the outnumber. He wasn't trying to be a 'sweeper' either as there was other carlton players  behind the contest doing that job already. He became a liability and put his own health at risk further. Whatever it was, he reinjured it in the 3rd quarter up on the wing and hobbled all the way back to the goal square. Stupid for playing him injured. We've learned nothing from last year.

4. Why didn't we play Lemmey? Was the perfect week to play him. You can guarantee that he would've given his all to 'prove his worth' and not rolled over like so many others did. His size would've helped us with Weiters as well allowing Gov to switch back, or go back himself. But no. Only reason you can justify not playing him is if we've marked his cards and that he will be out the door at seasons end. Charlie clearly wasn't fit and Lemmey could've given us something different.

5. Doc and Saad.....and Haynes. They are on the wrong side of 30. Still got some good footy left, but that is getting few and far between. I think all of them are relatively lucky we don't have a kid coming through taking their spot. Might be a changing of the guard in the off-season if we can't recapture some legitimate form in 2025.

6. Cripps. 2025 version isn't fit to tie 2024 versions shoelaces. He won the brownlow with the biggest tally in history and this year he's lucky to make the bests. He is currently averages his 2nd lowest possession tally since wearing the #9 at carlton. Only covid 2020 has been worse. (Note: he started in #16 in his first season and averaged 9, then switched to #9 and dominated).



I found myself nodding as I read this thoughtful contribution, K.

We have had a habit over the Voss duration of playing injured blokes. Not saying it's Vossy's doing. But you're right, Weiters, Crippa and Acres need resting... Don't ask them if they're okay to play because players will just about always say yes.

Sometimes it is really important for leaders who are injured to admit to themselves and their team mates that they're not up to it; that they can't play through the injury and give their best.

Totally agree (and have said it before) we must stop playing sentimental favourites - Fantasia and Durdin in particular.

Ollie Hollands is being beaten up down back - let him run and be creative. Cowan is ready to replace him.

We disagree on Lemmey. Still isn't imposing himself enough. However, HOF is ready and a must. He's played forward and not looked out of place.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #79 –
Its funny right. 

We've been here before.  https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/carlton.html

If we sack vossy, he'll be the best coach weve sacked since David parkin.  His current record is better than Rattens in terms of win percentage.

Are we sure this is the right reign to be pulling?

On the what we have done lately measure maybe, but im not convinced. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #80 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Its funny right. 

We've been here before.  https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/carlton.html

If we sack vossy, he'll be the best coach weve sacked since David parkin.  His current record is better than Rattens in terms of win percentage.

Are we sure this is the right reign to be pulling?

On the what we have done lately measure maybe, but im not convinced. 

It won't matter to the anti Voss brigade. They just keep moving the goalposts, and looking sideways to justify their dogmas : in his 4th year we should be better, the list is better than the results indicate, no plan B, no match day tactical nous, was never a fan from day 1 etc.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #81 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Its funny right. 

We've been here before.  https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/carlton.html

If we sack vossy, he'll be the best coach weve sacked since David parkin.  His current record is better than Rattens in terms of win percentage.

Are we sure this is the right reign to be pulling?

On the what we have done lately measure maybe, but im not convinced. 

It won't matter to the anti Voss brigade. They just keep moving the goalposts, and looking sideways to justify their dogmas : in his 4th year we should be better, the list is better than the results indicate, no plan B, no match day tactical nous, was never a fan from day 1 etc.

Just like it won't matter if you, me or anybody else here is pro or anti-voss, or somewhere in the middle.   Our opinions are just that,  opinions, and they are like sphincters, everyone has one.   But something is certain we can all agree on....  there are issues/problem/s at the cfc,  and hopefully they get identified and actioned by mr.wright in the very near future.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #82 –
Quote from: Bluesers – on
Just like it won't matter if you, me or anybody else here is pro or anti-voss, or somewhere in the middle.   Our opinions are just that,  opinions, and they are like sphincters, everyone has one.   But something is certain we can all agree on....  there are issues/problem/s at the cfc,  and hopefully they get identified and actioned by mr.wright in the very near future.

Changing coaches every few years hasn't worked. There's 20 years of clear evidence for that. I'm suggesting a very basic, simple logic of trying something different, something that has proven successful at the Tigers, Cats, Crows etc. Weather the storm, don't cr@p yourself at the first sign of trouble (a CFC specialty), and show some spine.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Any coach change is in the hands of those with the best knowledge of club dynamics, relationships and performance
A couple of experienced and professional operators.
One has a history of sticking with coaches, even when they're under the pump.
If Voss goes before his contract is up it will be for very good reasons and not tied in any way to Carlton's history of sacking coaches.
 

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #84 –
Watching a skit on ch.9. We had blokes on the outside that we failed to use that would have seen us so easy set up a goal, we had space where a bloke could run into for the kicker, no one ran into it, one more kick after that and it's a 1 on 1. instead everyone ran back to goals with their back to the kicker. In each of those cases we went short and sideways, eventually turning it over. No wonder scoring is tough work.

Being a forward would be a nightmare at Carlton. They are given no hope.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #85 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Its funny right. 

We've been here before.  https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/carlton.html

If we sack vossy, he'll be the best coach weve sacked since David parkin.  His current record is better than Rattens in terms of win percentage.

Are we sure this is the right reign to be pulling?

On the what we have done lately measure maybe, but im not convinced. 
Ratts though had to take over utter rubbish from Pagan late in the season then had to tank the last 6 games of 2007. Then lost the first 3 games of 2008. He was 9 behind before he started. Until 2011 we improved over the 3 years until the 2012 disaster. Other coaches haven't done that. Voss had half a good year in 2023 and a good 19 rounds in 2024. Been awful ever since.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #86 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Bluesers – on
Just like it won't matter if you, me or anybody else here is pro or anti-voss, or somewhere in the middle.   Our opinions are just that,  opinions, and they are like sphincters, everyone has one.   But something is certain we can all agree on....  there are issues/problem/s at the cfc,  and hopefully they get identified and actioned by mr.wright in the very near future.

Changing coaches every few years hasn't worked. There's 20 years of clear evidence for that. I'm suggesting a very basic, simple logic of trying something different, something that has proven successful at the Tigers, Cats, Crows etc. Weather the storm, don't cr@p yourself at the first sign of trouble (a CFC specialty), and show some spine.

You're right but the tail wags the dog and once the players get sick of their voices they stop playing for them. Very sadly, you end up having to change them. Becomes a pointless, frustrating exercise for the coach. They'd have more enjoyment then as an assistant elsewhere. We've changed coaches, overhauled playing lists, and still nothing. Nothing will change unless the deep, prevailing inner culture changes, as it did for Richmond after their 2016 disaster. They were no different to us now then, with a million coach changes and 37 years without a flag. 2016 was their lghtbulb moment. Until we have a lightbulb moment this is our lot. Only thing is we play our best footy in the first year of a coach's tenure when they are more enthisiastic. Can't be changing the coach every 12 months though....haha.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #87 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I think Terry from Blue Abroad summed it up beautifully, "we are financially thriving and we are spiritually bankrupt".
👏👏👏👏 Hats off to you Terry.

I also heard that, GTC, and rocked back in my ergonomic chair and clapped. I feel the same way. It's as if our sphincter like game-plan is sucking the soul out of our players and club. The spirit of PP is evaporating. We're a boldness free zone. We are not that bad.

Its not game plan IMO.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #88 –
Seriously, our best two efforts in our last 20 games (bar the Geelong win) were in rounds 23 and 24 last year when we literally had 20 blokes missing. We did lose round 24 to a St.Kilda in the last 12 seconds, a side that was white hot late in the year, albeit to late, but the thing was we had run, dare and spread with the young blokes. Something we have none of now. Other was an 11 goal thumping of the Eagles in Perth but with 20 blokes unavailable you shouldn't even be winning that, let alone by 11 goals. They were 2 of the few times we attempted to play like a footy team should. So much different to now. 

Funnily enough, we have won 6 of our last 10. If we had've beaten the Swans and North as we should, it would have been 8. Admittedly, Geelong was the only really good team.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #89 –
Ratten will always be popular among the Carlton faithful - nice bloke, club champion, significant personal tragedy. But his records at both Carlton and St Kilda are virtually identical. I get that fans will always go in to bat for him, but taking the data on its own terms, it suggests an OK, mid table, nibbling-at-finals coach, and nothing more.