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Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #15 –
Cowan is a competitor.  We'll beat that out of him.

Zac williams finally repaying the club.  Hope he wasn't subbed out injured.

Moir played much better today.

I know docherty has been frustrating but I think he's starting to build form.  I dont think he's done yet.

Motlop was alright. 

M.carroll didnt stop trying.  I think we've lost too much run, and our midfield is too blue colour without walsh.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Zac williams finally repaying the club.  Hope he wasn't subbed out injured.

Williams got a knock on his knee. Probably not the type of action to cause major damage but he was looking uncomfortable for a few minutes. He was probably our best up until then so it would be safe to say it was an injury sub.
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #17 –
I know Vossy likes to back his senior players in but he needs to send a message this week.
Acres Doc Cerra Gov Fog and maybe Lord cannot play next week.
Enough with the Evans experiment also.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #18 –
When push came to shove, more kids stood up than senior players. That says so much.

Crippa, Weiters, McGovern, Docherty.. as 'leaders' you let the CFC down.

To the kids you stood up and took on the game, your disposal wasn't sh1te, and you never gave up... well done, the future is yours.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #19 –
Very, very hard to imagine how anyone could possibly be surprised at tonight's result.

Just look at the demoralising fckups from senior players in the 1st qtr, setting the tone... Acres, Crippa, Doc, McG, Weiters... take a bow.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #20 –
I fear it's a bad knee for Williams, he's shown a heck of a lot more in the past fortnight than I thought he was capable of.
The kids aren't our problem, they go all right.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #21 –
Two things to take from tonight.  Play Moir for every game for the rest of the year. 

If TDK is worth 1.7, he should just take St Kilda's money and let some guys who want to play go out there (and if the Aints do pay up, they are as dumb as dogcrap).  
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #22 –
What happened to get comfortable being uncomfortable?
Leadership is non existent, Voss having to plead for effort from them, another embarrassing non competitive effort.
Voss looks lost in the coaching box and you have to feel for him with such non competitive frauds masquerading as a football team. He doesnt have any levers to pull with so many players just giving up and the lack of leadership and lack of care, Collingwood didnt have to get out of second gear to beat us, there was just no response.
They are playing like they know Voss will be going and they will be safe so they dont care and cant be bothered for the rest of the season. It was an ordinary game to watch and I didnt think Collingwood played that well apart from feed off our errors and lack of effort. You dont often see Weitering play poorly several weeks in a row but he looks disinterested and left OFarrell to fend for himself several times and Cripps looks fed up and tired every week now.
The TDK situation has festered on and done the list no good and Id keep playing Pittonet and bring Okeefe back when fit, you dont want to sign then you dont play.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #23 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: pertz – on
We're broken and battered and devoid of confidence.
It's going to be a long back half of the season.

Players don't trust the system and its obvious
Alas, there is the problem in a nutshell. You look at the 2's and you see glimpses of system, good chains of run and carry, the sort of thing you look for in the 1's.
But across our entire list you see poor disposal and poor decision making. Our opponents know what we're going to do before we do, because we are very predictable. And our system doesn't stand up to those sides like Collingwood, who have a clear system and play to it. They believe in their system and the believe in themselves. We don't.
[1] Collingwood's centre clearance work is designed to allow Nick Daicos first use of the pill. Other players are shepherded away, allowing him a free run.
Our system doesn't allow a Cripps or a Walsh or anyone that sort of free run. Zac Williams found it for periods tonight; his centre square work was exceptional. Not only did he run out of the middle, but his kicks hit targets. He didn't just bomb the ball into the forward line. When he went off, our mids struggled.
Cripps and Cerra did a mountain of work, but each of their possessions was under pressure; we got the ball on ability and guts, not system.
[2] You could tell that our defence is a mishmash including a lot of young, inexperienced players, as we got into our team mate's road more often than the opponents'. That almost proved lethal a number of times. Weitering and Harry O'Farrell was the most obvious one I remember. We did the same thing when we played Richmond; it was one of the major reasons we lost that game.
Clearly, our youngsters have played together enough, nor does it seem we trained together.
HOF had a shocker. He didn't make body contact enough and he was out-worked. However, he has a future, but he and the rest have to inculcated with our plan before they screw up like tonight.
[3] We lost an amazing number of one-on-one contests tonight, which is rare for us. Collingwood took contested possessions far too easily. Carroll and O'Farrell will get better at it when they put on five to ten kgs of muscle, but they were not just the ones being beaten up.
[4] Our small forwards are not looking up to scratch. They never seemed to be in the right spot to get the ball or to put pressure on. Every time the ball hit the ground in our forward line, a Collingwood player was ready and waiting for it, to run it out far too easily.
Part of this problem is structural: we lacked key forwards. Part of it was our game plan, that wasn't working in the forward half at all. Part of it that most of our small forwards aren't good enough.
[5] Tom de Koning was awful tonight. He barely touched the ball in the forward line or in the ruck. Just 11 possessions, and most of them were junk. I would almost drop him, he is playing so badly. He has never had much defence to his game, but his play at the moment is deplorable.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #24 –
There's serious issues in the club we don't know about. Probably at the point now of just ripping the bandaid off and getting an interim for the rest of the season, for poor old Vossy's sanity, not to mention all ours. 7 more weeks of this will be unstomachable. This could end up worse than in Bolton's dying days, and that was bad.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #25 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: pinot – on


Players don't trust the system and its obvious
Alas, there is the problem in a nutshell. You look at the 2's and you see glimpses of system, good chains of run and carry, the sort of thing you look for in the 1's.
[5] Tom de Koning was awful tonight. He barely touched the ball in the forward line or in the ruck. Just 11 possessions, and most of them were junk. I would almost drop him, he is playing so badly. He has never had much defence to his game, but his play at the moment is deplorable.

This is what i'm hearing/reading about tdk tonight,  however on afl.com.au match report they listed him as best player.   Either the writer was drunk or tdk was indeed bad but the rest of the team was far worse than bad...    While the result wasn't unexpected,  the resolve shown by the team apparently left a lot to be desired.   It's going to be a long 7 weeks.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #26 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I fear it's a bad knee for Williams, he's shown a heck of a lot more in the past fortnight than I thought he was capable of.
Williams refuses to play through pain or any sort of discomfort where others will. How often is he subbed out during a game??

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #27 –
We'll have to wait for scans on Williams.
I thought it was more of a knock rather than the more serious hyperextension associated with things like an ACL
But he seemed to have difficulty putting any weight on it.
I'd have to see it again.

The AFL ladder has Sportsbet odds for the flag.
Once you're statistically out of the race the odds disappear.
Three weeks ago we were $67 for the flag.
We're now $1001
So there telling us we're still a chance. ;)  :D

Now back to reality.  ::)
We're gone. :(
Shot.

Results don't matter anymore.
"The die is cast", and Wright is about to cross the Rubicon.
Whatever the outside perception and comments from the club, decisions would be pretty much locked away on coaches and some players.

Cowan, Carroll, Moir and Flynn Young need to be played as often as possible for the rest of the year.
Cowan in particular and Carroll shouldn't play VFL again.
I wouldn't do it for the Brisbane game, but Lemmey and Ben C  need to come in for the Melbourne game.
Wilson also needs to be given another go at some stage.
It may be O' Farrell needs to be managed a bit more carefully than other young ones.
He's a long term project and we have Young to cover until Silvagni comes back.

That's a lot of youth and it may come unstuck at times but on last night's performances at least you'll get an effort.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #28 –
I touched on it last night, but scroll through to around the 5.15 mark and listen to Voss talk about supporting people and families and "pressure and messaging" being the least of his concerns right now.
What do we make of that.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1821523/afl-r17-voss-post-match?videoId=1821523&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1751636880001

At the end he didn't shy away from the result.
"We let our club down tonight"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #29 –
Lying in bed last night, I thought about who played ok and who would give a pass to:
Cowan
Motlop
Hollands
Williams
Docherty (just)
Haynes
Pittonet
HOF tried hard for a 2 gamer
8 out of 23 get a pass.
The rest were rubbish and should hand back their pay cheques.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership