AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

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Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #30 – July 05, 2025, 07:43:38 am

Quote from: Lods – on July 05, 2025, 06:59:56 am

I touched on it last night, but scroll through to around the 5.15 mark and listen to Voss talk about supporting people and families and "pressure and messaging" being the least of his concerns right now.
What do we make of that.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1821523/afl-r17-voss-post-match?videoId=1821523&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1751636880001

At the end he didn't shy away from the result.
"We let our club down tonight"

The Fox guys made a point of how composed Voss has been during this crisis. I thought his presser was excellent, raw and honest but measured.
Jon Ralph and Whately tried to make it sound like Voss was blaming people (in a bad way), Buckley and Brown jumped in and said "no mate, he was being honest", "its what happened". Ralph tried to say being honest sometimes is the wrong thing, again the two ex footballers shut him down.
The Ambulance chasers will go to work (to coin a Vossism) this week.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #31 – July 05, 2025, 07:49:36 am

Would have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation between Priestly Cook Lloyd and Wright int he rooms after the game. Lloyd seemed to have his phone out relaying what was on it to the other three. I was trying to lip read, couldnt make out for sure but Lloyd seemed to ask a question and they nodded.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #32 – July 05, 2025, 07:59:48 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 05, 2025, 07:49:36 am

Would have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation between Priestly Cook Lloyd and Wright int he rooms after the game. Lloyd seemed to have his phone out relaying what was on it to the other three. I was trying to lip read, couldnt make out for sure but Lloyd seemed to ask a question and they nodded.

"Horse said he can start Monday"
"North are OK with the merger"
"Big Macs all around then"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #33 – July 05, 2025, 08:01:10 am

Buckley was pretty fascinating to listen to after the game, he asked one pertinent question last night, "which players emptied out?"
To me, other than Williams and Hollands, maybe Cowan, probably no one else.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #34 – July 05, 2025, 08:23:35 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 05, 2025, 07:43:38 am

Quote from: Lods – on July 05, 2025, 06:59:56 am
I touched on it last night, but scroll through to around the 5.15 mark and listen to Voss talk about supporting people and families and "pressure and messaging" being the least of his concerns right now.
What do we make of that.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1821523/afl-r17-voss-post-match?videoId=1821523&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1751636880001

At the end he didn't shy away from the result.
"We let our club down tonight"

The Fox guys made a point of how composed Voss has been during this crisis. I thought his presser was excellent, raw and honest but measured.
Jon Ralph and Whately tried to make it sound like Voss was blaming people (in a bad way), Buckley and Brown jumped in and said "no mate, he was being honest", "its what happened". Ralph tried to say being honest sometimes is the wrong thing, again the two ex footballers shut him down.
The Ambulance chasers will go to work (to coin a Vossism) this week.

It's hard to know the extent of any disconnect beween players/coaches, coaches/coaches, players/players.
What goes down behind closed doors isn't making it through to us.
But something off-field just doesn't seem right.
Players are parroting the same message about taking reponsibility (it was Curnow's turn last night) but that message isn't being reflected in intensity and effort in the next game.

Voss was angry last night, but he's been angry with the performances for the last three weeks as the strong parts of our game have gone South leaving just a rabble.
Missing players certainly isn't helping the cause.
Those games would have had a different look with Jack, Harry, Walsh, Saad, Cottrell, Kemp, Elijah,Newman playing.
The structure is in a mess and our better players are struggling with the lack of a supporting group.

It's a difficult choice for Voss.
He can experiment with positional changes and play kids.
It's doubtful that will result in improved performances.
And we know the consequences of more of the same.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #35 – July 05, 2025, 08:37:11 am

Virtually 12mths to the day when we were 2nd on the ladder and we have won a measly 8 out of 26 games since.
This is going to be one hell of a review and seasons end.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #36 – July 05, 2025, 08:39:35 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 05, 2025, 08:01:10 am

Buckley was pretty fascinating to listen to after the game, he asked one pertinent question last night, "which players emptied out?"
To me, other than Williams and Hollands, maybe Cowan, probably no one else.

Buckley was right...Docherty tried imo but he struggles to be effective.
Williams has been ok two weeks in a row which has surprised me but credit where it's due he has stood up while most of his mates have given it away.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #37 – July 05, 2025, 09:16:14 am

Williams brings energy...and then he gets injured

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #38 – July 05, 2025, 09:27:43 am

Voss has been excellent post match last few weeks.

Takes every question head on, and plays a straight bat explaining everything but not giving anything away.

The embraced our families part to me was interesting. The vitriol i see spewed online is pretty ordinary. The amount of Carlton supporters turning on the club and players. We need to back the boys in. I made a joke last night we might need to start cheering points. We definitely need to start applauding tackles.

We are missing Sam walsh badly. He's played in all of our wins bar one, the game in Perth against West Coast and our losses without him have been terrible (Richmond round 1 and the last few weeks). When he plays we get much closer to our opponents.

On the back of recent footy we cannot consider trading him IMHO. Not without others stepping up and standing up.

You want to see why ruckman are dependent on their mids, you can look no further than our own rucks. No cripps, hewett and walsh dominating and our rucks are battlers again. A good midfield will make an average ruckman look good. A good ruck will not help an average midfield.

Collingwood are very good. Darcy Moore had an impactful contest late that hopefully maims him. Early on we were trying to play around him, but each long kick was gobbled up by the Pies defense and we were out of those contests.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #39 – July 05, 2025, 09:31:03 am

Darcy Moore is a very good player but is umpired differently to others. Can do whatever he wants when marking, immune to blocking or HTB.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #40 – July 05, 2025, 09:39:55 am

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 05, 2025, 09:27:43 am

You want to see why ruckman are dependent on their mids, you can look no further than our own rucks. No cripps, hewett and walsh dominating and our rucks are battlers again. A good midfield will make an average ruckman look good. A good ruck will not help an average midfield.

I'd take it a step further and say you want to see why rucks are overrated and why you are better off giving that backup ruck duty to someone who has another position he can play....

I've been banging on about it for years.
Hitouts as a stat are useless. As long as you compete, and don't hit directly to the opposition, it doesn't matter who you have in there. Especially for our line-up.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #41 – July 05, 2025, 09:50:31 am

Quote from: Lods – on July 05, 2025, 06:59:56 am

I touched on it last night, but scroll through to around the 5.15 mark and listen to Voss talk about supporting people and families and "pressure and messaging" being the least of his concerns right now.
What do we make of that.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1821523/afl-r17-voss-post-match?videoId=1821523&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1751636880001

At the end he didn't shy away from the result.
"We let our club down tonight"

There seems to be some reasons for a drop in form that are not known to us.

Maybe some of the battles from elijah and Harry are bigger or more common than we know.
There were rumours about players with other players gfs and all sorts of off field distractions that could at least in part explain some of the nonsense we've seen on field.
Maybe docherty got some more bad news about his cancer battle?
Maybe some players got told they are not getting another contract?
Maybe some assistants got they are not getting another contract (don't they need 3 months notice? That'd be now wouldn't it?)

.... or it could all be complete bollocks and we all just suck.

It was a strange thing to say and it's like him to expand on that in the future.

We talk about how 'it is not weak to speak' but then we gloss over stuff like this and pretend everything is fine and dandy. This is a big contradiction throughout the afl world and if you want to relieve some of the pressure on the players, coach and club, then perhaps be more open and honest. You'd get some sympathy and some breathing room at least.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #42 – July 05, 2025, 10:14:11 am

Cripps and Hewitt get a pass for their effort last night. I’ve been saying for ever, Cripps cannot carry us for ever and we see that clearly now. He’s spent. Hewitt is then shut down and that’s it.

Cerra plays too ‘pretty’ but not pretty enough in terms of good decision making! How many errors did he make last night ffs!? Acres has always made stupid errors as has McG - you just cannot rely on them.

Weiters disappointed me last night, he looked like he cbf. He’s had a bit of a strange demeanour for a while now.

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. Not sure how it was possible he missed all those goals 🙄

Something certainly is crook in CFC. Feel for Vossy.

Continue playing the kids, season is done and dusted.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #43 – July 05, 2025, 10:25:59 am

Quote from: kruddler – on July 05, 2025, 09:50:31 am

Quote from: Lods – on July 05, 2025, 06:59:56 am
I touched on it last night, but scroll through to around the 5.15 mark and listen to Voss talk about supporting people and families and "pressure and messaging" being the least of his concerns right now.
What do we make of that.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1821523/afl-r17-voss-post-match?videoId=1821523&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1751636880001

At the end he didn't shy away from the result.
"We let our club down tonight"

There seems to be some reasons for a drop in form that are not known to us.

Maybe some of the battles from elijah and Harry are bigger or more common than we know.
There were rumours about players with other players gfs and all sorts of off field distractions that could at least in part explain some of the nonsense we've seen on field.
Maybe docherty got some more bad news about his cancer battle?
Maybe some players got told they are not getting another contract?
Maybe some assistants got they are not getting another contract (don't they need 3 months notice? That'd be now wouldn't it?)

.... or it could all be complete blocks and we all just suck.

It was a strange thing to say and it's like him to expand on that in the future.

We talk about how 'it is not weak to speak' but then we gloss over stuff like this and pretend everything is fine and dandy. This is a big contradiction throughout the afl world and if you want to relieve some of the pressure on the players, coach and club, then perhaps be more open and honest. You'd get some sympathy and some breathing room at least.

I don’t think we absolutely suck as much as our recent performances suggest. I tend to think that we are likely grappling with some kind of divisive situation or issue that has shattered club confidence and cohesion. I’ve no idea as to what that may be so I won’t speculate further.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #44 – July 05, 2025, 11:04:07 am

The club and supporters need to be realistic - enough is enough and we have seen a long enough body of work to make a educated call on this. The list and all coaches, MC, LM are not going to give us any chance of adding to our tally without a massive clean out. This talk of only a few changes is nonsense.

Stop living in the 'but this list made a prelim' BS. Apart from that one year this list has done SFA every year - pull the bandaid off now!

Start afresh - and start now! Voss was an amazing footballer but the image of him sitting in the corner of the box (looked like the naughty boy put in the naughty corner) with a blank look on his face told us all he has no answers, no levels to pull and even if he did he would pull the same one till if fell off. All while the opposition coach while comfortably controlling the game staying in 2nd gear was barking instructions from the bench. What a difference.

Every single player must be on the trade table and i mean every single player.

Been supporting the blues for over 50 years and have never witnessed a team that couldn't give a fark when playing against the arch enemy. Even when we were a bottom team we would rise for these games. The rich culture i enjoyed in the 70-90s is gone and without massive change we are the new St Kilda.

So over all the talk - i heard old mate Charlie say directly after the game 'you will see a different team next week' Mate GAGF. Same as Weiterings talk during the week then they show up and deliver that.

Charlie is the epitomy of why we are so overrated by so many. He couldn't GAF - 0-7 in the last 3 weeks. Wright has to have his name on the table at years end or we are not serious.