AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

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Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #60 – July 05, 2025, 04:02:38 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 05, 2025, 03:04:46 am

Quote from: Professer E – on July 04, 2025, 11:50:29 pm
I fear it's a bad knee for Williams, he's shown a heck of a lot more in the past fortnight than I thought he was capable of.
Williams refuses to play through pain or any sort of discomfort where others will. How often is he subbed out during a game??

Given his status as #1 whipping boy and his injury record I think he’s instructed to go to the bench for assessment rather than rip something completely.
He played really well last night.
And HOF needs some kg’s but that will take time, those blasting him for being pushed around by McStay, a 10 yr player mind you, need to pull their heads in.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #61 – July 05, 2025, 04:05:38 pm

MBB was big on TDKs work in the in-game thread. I thought it to be a little over the top, but each their own.
Very surprised to see his name floated as one of our best.

For the record...
Pittonet vs DeKoning
64 - 31 - ruck contests
33 - 12 - hitouts
10 - 4 - hitouts to advantage
2 - 1 - clearances
17 - 11 - disposals
3 - 3 - marks
2 - 0 - contested marks
2 - 1 - intercept marks
4 - 2 - intercept possessions
4 - 0 - tackles
10 - 7 - pressure acts
1 - 0 - spoils
3 - 1 - rebound 50s
2 - 1 - inside 50s
2 - 2 - turnover
70 - 62 - meters gained
93 - 48 - Fantasy points
2 - 5 - score involvements
0 - 1 - goal assist

Looking at the numbers, Pittonet smashed him even in areas TDK should be dominant.

Pittonet is on about 25% (at most) of what TDK is being offered, but delivered basically twice the output last night.

I'm not saying this to pump up Pitto. Rather to point out that TDK leaving is probably going to be more beneficial to the team/club/list than us keeping him. Simply not good enough.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #62 – July 05, 2025, 04:18:56 pm

First quarter Kruddler. He was involved in our first 3 goals.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #63 – July 05, 2025, 04:19:59 pm

Both our rucks broke even with Cameron. Problem is neither did anything outside of the ruck.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #64 – July 05, 2025, 04:24:12 pm

It's interesting watching and reading comments from passionate Bluebaggers that, apart from a few vitriolic folks, most seem to have this resignation and bitter disappointment with how season 2025 has turned out, thus far. Plus the likelihood that the coming 7 weeks will only deliver more disappointment, with the exception of getting to at least expose some kids to senior footy.

Hope burns eternal with many supporters now turning their attention to 2026. Pretty sad.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #65 – July 05, 2025, 05:25:59 pm

Coll cheer squad singing "When the Saints Go Marching in" to TDK who was in the goal square was pretty funny, get used to it Tom.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #66 – July 05, 2025, 06:03:32 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 05, 2025, 05:25:59 pm

Coll cheer squad singing "When the Saints Go Marching in" to TDK who was in the goal square was pretty funny, get used to it Tom.

It'll be a bit of a worry when our supporters start singing it

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #67 – July 05, 2025, 06:56:49 pm

No. You ditch the club for money you reap what you sow. Especially if you don't put in when you know you're going. We've got strong memories.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #68 – July 05, 2025, 07:05:40 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on July 05, 2025, 04:24:12 pm

It's interesting watching and reading comments from passionate Bluebaggers that, apart from a few vitriolic folks, most seem to have this resignation and bitter disappointment with how season 2025 has turned out, thus far. Plus the likelihood that the coming 7 weeks will only deliver more disappointment, with the exception of getting to at least expose some kids to senior footy.

Hope burns eternal with many supporters now turning their attention to 2026. Pretty sad.

thats all we have now. 2026.

Our season was over when we lost to North. We only had room for one more loss before that game anyway.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #69 – July 05, 2025, 07:07:59 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 05, 2025, 07:05:40 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on July 05, 2025, 04:24:12 pm
It's interesting watching and reading comments from passionate Bluebaggers that, apart from a few vitriolic folks, most seem to have this resignation and bitter disappointment with how season 2025 has turned out, thus far. Plus the likelihood that the coming 7 weeks will only deliver more disappointment, with the exception of getting to at least expose some kids to senior footy.

Hope burns eternal with many supporters now turning their attention to 2026. Pretty sad.
thats all we have now. 2026.

Our season was over when we lost to North. We only had room for one more loss before that game anyway.

Agree, many will say our season was over when we lost to Richmond but yeah, all over after we lost to one of the few teams would beat in Norf.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #70 – July 06, 2025, 09:28:28 am

Quote from: Professer E – on July 05, 2025, 06:56:49 pm

No. You ditch the club for money you reap what you sow. Especially if you don't put in when you know you're going. We've got strong memories.

He should be playing VFL from now on.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #71 – July 06, 2025, 05:57:25 pm

I am a little surprised at some of the strong comments about Friday night (I did end up watching most of it):
- it wasn't a great side selected and going to lose by plenty.
- there have been doubts for ages about Cripps', Weiters' fitness and chat about Curnow's. Leaving them out for who to come in?
- Playing a heap of 'kids' at once doesn't do them favours if they have no guidance/not enough support on the ground - we continue to see this.
- some players shake hands before a game. Charlie did the equivalent. What's the big deal?
- one of our biggest weaknesses for a very long time has been player development.
- we are not a highly skilled side and often miss (easy) targets. We play as if they are going to be hit, so find it hard to recover when the opposition pick us off. Lot of energy wasted trying to make amends. This is getting worse the deeper down the list we go, which has to affect morale and confidence.
- we seem to try to get 'hail Mary' player selections. Doesn't pay off very often.
- An issue of having (seemingly) highly paid top 6-8, is that the $$ are tighter further down, which will make it hard to attract enough quality players.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #72 – July 06, 2025, 06:22:41 pm

Quote from: dodge – on July 06, 2025, 05:57:25 pm

I am a little surprised at some of the strong comments about Friday night (I did end up watching most of it):
- it wasn't a great side selected and going to lose by plenty.
- there have been doubts for ages about Cripps', Weiters' fitness and chat about Curnow's. Leaving them out for who to come in?

I suggested last week that Ben come in for Cripps and Lemmey come in for Charlie.

What could we lose by giving them a game?
Lost by 70 instead of 50-odd?
Give them a start and see what happens. Playing an injured and out of form Cripps and Charlie helped us work out.....what exactly?

We are not in a position that we try and win at all costs right now. So lets try and get at least some benefit from it by learning about the kids.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #73 – July 06, 2025, 07:34:34 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on July 06, 2025, 06:22:41 pm

Quote from: dodge – on July 06, 2025, 05:57:25 pm
I am a little surprised at some of the strong comments about Friday night (I did end up watching most of it):
- it wasn't a great side selected and going to lose by plenty.
- there have been doubts for ages about Cripps', Weiters' fitness and chat about Curnow's. Leaving them out for who to come in?

I suggested last week that Ben come in for Cripps and Lemmey come in for Charlie.

What could we lose by giving them a game?
Lost by 70 instead of 50-odd?
Give them a start and see what happens. Playing an injured and out of form Cripps and Charlie helped us work out.....what exactly?

We are not in a position that we try and win at all costs right now. So lets try and get at least some benefit from it by learning about the kids.

It might be about finding the right moment and the right side to bring them in against.
Do we go for the 'hard' lesson
Moore on Lemmey, or Ben C against the Collingwood midfield might have been an excellent learning experience.
It could also be a confidence sapper.
I'm not sure the Brisbane game is the right one either.
Melbourne would be the game.
But we'll see what they do it might be this week.
When they do get their chance we have to appreciate this is just for development purposes and judge them accordingly.
Lemmey's out of contract this year but I reckon he's worth persisting with for another year

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #74 – July 06, 2025, 07:55:25 pm

Quote from: Lods – on July 06, 2025, 07:34:34 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on July 06, 2025, 06:22:41 pm

I suggested last week that Ben come in for Cripps and Lemmey come in for Charlie.

What could we lose by giving them a game?
Lost by 70 instead of 50-odd?
Give them a start and see what happens. Playing an injured and out of form Cripps and Charlie helped us work out.....what exactly?

We are not in a position that we try and win at all costs right now. So lets try and get at least some benefit from it by learning about the kids.

It might be about finding the right moment and the right side to bring them in against.
Do we go for the 'hard' lesson
Moore on Lemmey, or Ben C against the Collingwood midfield might have been an excellent learning experience.
It could also be a confidence sapper.
I'm not sure the Brisbane game is the right one either.
Melbourne would be the game.
But we'll see what they do it might be this week.
When they do get their chance we have to appreciate this is just for development purposes and judge them accordingly.
Lemmey's out of contract this year but I reckon he's worth persisting with for another year

I agree with all you've said here, but there is also the old "to be the best you need to beat the best" and everyone a chance to pit themselves against the reigning premiers. You might find the young kids putting their hands up begging for a crack at them. If they do, it's to be encouraged I reckon. Its all part of the learning.