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Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #15 –
None  of our AA players are playing anywhere near their best.
Many, if not most, never will again, as age and cumulative injuries, catches up to them.
There won't be many All-Austalians from Carlton this year. :(

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Lods – on
None  of our AA players are playing anywhere near their best.
Many, if not most, never will again, as age and cumulative injuries, catches up to them.
There won't be many All-Austalians from Carlton this year. :(
My point exactly Lods, we have far to many senior players resting on their laurels at the minute. A Coleman Medalist who has been goal less for two weeks and only kicked a couple in the weeks before  that isn't worth a pinch of salt right now (I cleaned that one up let me tell you).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #17 –
Quote from: Lods – on
None  of our AA players are playing anywhere near their best.
Many, if not most, never will again, as age and cumulative injuries, catches up to them.
There won't be many All-Austalians from Carlton this year. :(

Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #18 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: Lods – on
None  of our AA players are playing anywhere near their best.
Many, if not most, never will again, as age and cumulative injuries, catches up to them.
There won't be many All-Austalians from Carlton this year. :(

Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.
Themselves FFS.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #19 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: Lods – on
None  of our AA players are playing anywhere near their best.
Many, if not most, never will again, as age and cumulative injuries, catches up to them.
There won't be many All-Austalians from Carlton this year. :(

Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.

Some of these issues are not fixable.
Docherty, Saad and Haynes' (although he's going OK)-all their best football is well behind them. They're not and won't be AA selections again.
Walsh has been carrying a degenerative injury for a couple of years now. It's likely to get worse not better and will cause problems in other areas.
Curnow had no pre-season
McKay has had issues both with his mental health and injury.
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #20 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.

I imagine the management of them being at their best is a collaborative, coordinated effort including players, line coaches, fitness and high performance staff, senior coaches, dieticians etc. The players are not circus animals, and the senior coach is not a ringmaster.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #21 –
I cant fathom this never see it ever again. The guys we are talking about are 27 turning 28. 

Most players peak at these ages, and having an injury now isnt an indicator of the future.

Its so defeatist.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #22 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: pinot – on
Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.

I imagine the management of them being at their best is a collaborative, coordinated effort including players, line coaches, fitness and high performance staff, senior coaches, dieticians etc. The players are not circus animals, and the senior coach is not a ringmaster.


So why do we need a senior coach and his staff? What you are saying they are pointless to have at a club.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #23 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


I imagine the management of them being at their best is a collaborative, coordinated effort including players, line coaches, fitness and high performance staff, senior coaches, dieticians etc. The players are not circus animals, and the senior coach is not a ringmaster.


So why do we need a senior coach and his staff? What you are saying they are pointless to have at a club.
You dont sometimes, by Parkins own admission, the 1995 group virtually coached themselves. They were self motivated and drove the standards hard. The 2025 virtually need their arses wiped.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #24 –
Quote from: pinot – on
So why do we need a senior coach and his staff? What you are saying they are pointless to have at a club.

That's not what I said.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #27 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: Lods – on
None  of our AA players are playing anywhere near their best.
Many, if not most, never will again, as age and cumulative injuries, catches up to them.
There won't be many All-Austalians from Carlton this year. :(

Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.

Pinot, your first question is one of the better questions you’ve asked and its answer is the holy grail of human endeavor and in particular team sport.
What makes 22 blokes so much better than another 22 blokes ?
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #28 –
I think you need a certain percentage of your players that require no coaching in skills, game plan or being reminded of their obligations and responsibilities. They might need looking after physically with injuries or getting them right for games but mentally they arrive switched on each week and are very self motivated. Examples for me from our recent opponents are Pendlebury and Maynard, two different types of personalities but one the ultimate professional who trains like he plays and Maynard who once he crosses the white line has an appetite for winning at all costs and doesnt need to be sprayed for lack of effort like our senior players.
When you watch us train which I have a few times this season, there doesnt seem that edge to what we do and almost a sense of entitlement from some of our players that a stroll around Ikon park will suffice and you see stuff like kicks not hitting targets or sloppy handballs just like you see in games.
It was interesting watching new kid Steele play for the Pies and a bit of newbie Stevens play for Geelong and they just seem senior ready and fit straight in as seamless additions and know the game plan.
Our kids always look a bit underdeveloped and overwhelmed eg Harry OFarrell, Billy Wilson, you can see they have something to offer but are not quite ready and are unsure of what to do next.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #29 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I cant fathom this never see it ever again. The guys we are talking about are 27 turning 28. 

Most players peak at these ages, and having an injury now isnt an indicator of the future.

Its so defeatist.

It's not defeatist Thry
It's facing reality.
One or two may get back to a semblance of their best.
Others are passed it, and are approaching the end of their careers
And some have suffered significant injuries, not just once , but have had a number of seasons derailed by injury.
Injuries can have a cumulative effect.
When you're young you can recover quickly.
As you age it takes it's toll.
Injuries to a back can lead to compensatory injuries in the hamstrings, calves and feet, due to an imbalance.
Some injuries are degenerative and time (and age) is the enemy.

Now in a group you may get one or two who can make a full recovery and play there best football in their late 20's early 30s.
But if that group is large, the more likely result is that you've seen the best of some of these players.

Of our All-Australian players currently listed I would reckon the majority will never see AA again.
And that was the point.
That they'll all never reach that level again.
We'll have others who will come on...but not all of that group.
But time will tell