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Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #105


Cameron is too old and would hate to go from their culture to us IMO.

Marshall would be a great get - his tap work and work at ground level is exactly what we need. As TDK best work is when he is the sole ruck, they cant have Marshall in their long term plans unless they will play him as a forward but that seems unlikely. He would have a point to prove and if the offer is good he may be tempted but being contracted old mate SOS will 100% want the farm in return.

While Pit gives effort he's a old school slow lumbering ruck man which we cant have as our main option if we want to improve especially with the one paced midfield we currently have.
  
Marshall gets a lot of the ball and would be the ideal replacement to take over the duties of TDK whose major benefit to us is his work as a defacto midfielder who can win clearances and provide drive from stoppages.
The only problem I see is he is contracted for two more years and Im sure the price would be our compo pick with maybe a late pick back..

Given that compo pick could blow out a bit I reckon it's not a bad price to pay for a proven player as opposed to a speculative one.

 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #106
Marshall and Cameron are the same age.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #107
Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

People don't seem to realise that Marshall will be 30 by the end of the year.
All of these replacement rucks are at that age. I'm not swapping a first round pick for any 30 yo.
We have Pittonet in that bracket and swapping him out for another ruck is not going to give us a '1st rounder value' of output upgrade in that position. If we are giving away first rounders, i'd much rather do it on another position.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #108
Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

People don't seem to realise that Marshall will be 30 by the end of the year.
All of these replacement rucks are at that age. I'm not swapping a first round pick for any 30 yo.
We have Pittonet in that bracket and swapping him out for another ruck is not going to give us a '1st rounder value' of output upgrade in that position. If we are giving away first rounders, i'd much rather do it on another position.


You're right
Given his age, I've changed my mind.
Our best option may be to go with Pittonet and HOK for next year and pick up Flynn Riley in the draft for development (before someone else gets him)

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #109
Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

OMG Serious!! WOW i had it in my head Marshall is mid 20s. That makes it not as tasty anymore.

Ok back to throwing the farm at TDK !


Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #110
I know we can be a bit ageist on here, but Jeremy Howe turned 35 recently.  Sidebottom is also in that bracket as is Pendles.

Dont poo poo a 30 something year old.  Nick Haynes has been in our best players this year after a very shaky start. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #111



He was often maligned but one of the players who left us to go to another club who I really admire was Bryce Gibbs.
He tried 'unsuccessfully' to head to Adelaide at the end of the 2016 season but  deal couldn't be done.
He didn't sook about it.
He came back in  2017 and put his head down and played some really good football, statistically one of his best seasons (43 disposals and 10 tackles in one game)
He knew he would try again for the move at the end of the year but still gave us good efforts.
Tom looks likely to go.
The least we can expect is that he plays in a similar fashion right up until the end.

For every shining example like this one of Gibbs, there is an alternative one.
Remember Lachie Henderson?
He put in such little effort that we were forced to drop him and never play him again. He found form/motivation when he went to the cats though.

TBH, i'm not sure if TDK is showing a lack of effort etc. I think thats just him. It has always been him. His best is good. His worst is terrible and you never know what you are going to get out of him. Year on year he has become a little bit better and little bit more consistent, but he simply is not 'their' yet. The money being offered is for potential (still) rather than current output.

When he did his last contract i said there was no way he was deserving of the figures being bandied around (i think 1 mil at the time). I think the same now. He is not worth those figures.

Agree totally that 1.7M is overs but lets not be clouded by his last few months. He has a lot mates in the bracket of underperforming.

If we are going off what we are seeing now Charlie and Cripps would be on 450K

Wouldnt be surprised if Saints have warned him the 1.7M tag is provided hes body is 100% hence why his output is down - maybe he's afraid of the cost of a major injury as it could be life changing finically. Who knows? 


Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #112
I know we can be a bit ageist on here, but Jeremy Howe turned 35 recently.  Sidebottom is also in that bracket as is Pendles.

Dont poo poo a 30 something year old.  Nick Haynes has been in our best players this year after a very shaky start. 



Yeah decent point. Players seem to be playing well into their 30s these days.

Maybe our rebuild is not needed - just need to wait for the list to hit mid 30s before it fires a shot! That was a joke.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #113
The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #114
The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

OK, how about old man Goldstein at Essendon then?

He isnt tripping the light fantastic, but hes been a solid contributer.  Carlton dont rate solid contributer hight enough IMHO, and Jeremy Howe in particular is not someone who has an injury free history, and when I think of him is highlight of intercept marking being in his game. 

As for the innovative coach, how did they go in finals of 2024?  Given they won the flag in 2023, and then bombed out completely, and now stand above everyone, why did he get 2024 so wrong?

You are 3 key players away from being an also ran in any one season.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #115
Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

OMG Serious!! WOW i had it in my head Marshall is mid 20s. That makes it not as tasty anymore.

Ok back to throwing the farm at TDK !



Yep.
We have developed Tom and now we are gonna let him walk as he enters his prime?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #116
TDK's form has completely crashed since the North Melbourne match against Tristan Xerri.
He was completely decimated and lost all confidence since.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #117
The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

OK, how about old man Goldstein at Essendon then?

He isnt tripping the light fantastic, but hes been a solid contributer.  Carlton dont rate solid contributer hight enough IMHO, and Jeremy Howe in particular is not someone who has an injury free history, and when I think of him is highlight of intercept marking being in his game. 

As for the innovative coach, how did they go in finals of 2024?  Given they won the flag in 2023, and then bombed out completely, and now stand above everyone, why did he get 2024 so wrong?

You are 3 key players away from being an also ran in any one season.


They did miss out in 2024 but still won 13 games and re equipped their list to go again this season and going against the grain by fielding that trio of very senior players. I'd suggest there is a fair difference in terms of quality output from the Pies trio to Goldstein.
If you want a better comparison try Jack Martin at Geelong, playing off a half back flank as a rebounder and getting 20 plus possessions...we couldnt get him on the park and as for playing as a half back he might have lasted 10 mins with us in that role. The top clubs get most things right and the rest struggle to get the simple stuff correct.
Pendlebury actually ran away from Cripps in the recent match and made our bloke look closer to 40.
We might be doing Cripps a favour if he can get to another club and extend his career, same with Walsh.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #118
^^Ergo, age isnt the issue which is my main contention.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #119
^^Ergo, age isnt the issue which is my main contention.



Good players can play into their mid 30s
People calling  Doc to retire....I don't agree with it. He is a natural footballer that is out of form - probably not top 15 on the list but is top 25-30. If his body allows him to run, jump and crack into contests he should play on. If not then he needs to call it a day.