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Quote from: shawny – on July 08, 2025, 06:49:03 pm

Cameron is too old and would hate to go from their culture to us IMO.

Marshall would be a great get - his tap work and work at ground level is exactly what we need. As TDK best work is when he is the sole ruck, they cant have Marshall in their long term plans unless they will play him as a forward but that seems unlikely. He would have a point to prove and if the offer is good he may be tempted but being contracted old mate SOS will 100% want the farm in return.

While Pit gives effort he's a old school slow lumbering ruck man which we cant have as our main option if we want to improve especially with the one paced midfield we currently have.
  

Marshall gets a lot of the ball and would be the ideal replacement to take over the duties of TDK whose major benefit to us is his work as a defacto midfielder who can win clearances and provide drive from stoppages.
The only problem I see is he is contracted for two more years and Im sure the price would be our compo pick with maybe a late pick back..

Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 09, 2025, 07:48:09 am

Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

People don't seem to realise that Marshall will be 30 by the end of the year.
All of these replacement rucks are at that age. I'm not swapping a first round pick for any 30 yo.
We have Pittonet in that bracket and swapping him out for another ruck is not going to give us a '1st rounder value' of output upgrade in that position. If we are giving away first rounders, i'd much rather do it on another position.

Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

Quote from: Lods – on July 08, 2025, 02:44:05 pm

He was often maligned but one of the players who left us to go to another club who I really admire was Bryce Gibbs.
He tried 'unsuccessfully' to head to Adelaide at the end of the 2016 season but  deal couldn't be done.
He didn't sook about it.
He came back in  2017 and put his head down and played some really good football, statistically one of his best seasons (43 disposals and 10 tackles in one game)
He knew he would try again for the move at the end of the year but still gave us good efforts.
Tom looks likely to go.
The least we can expect is that he plays in a similar fashion right up until the end.

For every shining example like this one of Gibbs, there is an alternative one.
Remember Lachie Henderson?
He put in such little effort that we were forced to drop him and never play him again. He found form/motivation when he went to the cats though.

TBH, i'm not sure if TDK is showing a lack of effort etc. I think thats just him. It has always been him. His best is good. His worst is terrible and you never know what you are going to get out of him. Year on year he has become a little bit better and little bit more consistent, but he simply is not 'their' yet. The money being offered is for potential (still) rather than current output.

When he did his last contract i said there was no way he was deserving of the figures being bandied around (i think 1 mil at the time). I think the same now. He is not worth those figures.

I know we can be a bit ageist on here, but Jeremy Howe turned 35 recently.  Sidebottom is also in that bracket as is Pendles.

Dont poo poo a 30 something year old.  Nick Haynes has been in our best players this year after a very shaky start. 

The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 09, 2025, 07:48:09 am

Marshall and Cameron are the same age.

OMG Serious!! WOW i had it in my head Marshall is mid 20s. That makes it not as tasty anymore.

Ok back to throwing the farm at TDK !

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 09, 2025, 09:52:36 am

The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

OK, how about old man Goldstein at Essendon then?

He isnt tripping the light fantastic, but hes been a solid contributer.  Carlton dont rate solid contributer hight enough IMHO, and Jeremy Howe in particular is not someone who has an injury free history, and when I think of him is highlight of intercept marking being in his game. 

As for the innovative coach, how did they go in finals of 2024?  Given they won the flag in 2023, and then bombed out completely, and now stand above everyone, why did he get 2024 so wrong?

You are 3 key players away from being an also ran in any one season.

^^Ergo, age isnt the issue which is my main contention.