AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

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AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

July 23, 2025, 09:10:43 pm

God, I hope this is the last Thursday night game!

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Reply #1 – July 24, 2025, 10:14:05 pm

I don't think we've won a Thursday night all year! We certainly start terribly on Thursday nights, as we did again.
But why couldn't we bring the same intensity that we showed in the last 3 quarters in the 1st?

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Reply #2 – July 24, 2025, 10:14:38 pm

Sadly, before the game I would have taken a 24point loss

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Reply #3 – July 24, 2025, 10:15:30 pm

Kade Simpson chairing off Doc. What a great moment.

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Reply #4 – July 24, 2025, 10:19:25 pm

Looking at the stats doesn't help much.
[1] Hawthorn had 6 of the top 7 possession getters. Only George Hewett, with 25, made the grade. Cripps only managed 18.
[2] Harry O'Farrell managed 19 possessions, with 13 marks! That is a big game for a young tall!
[3] We lost the ruck, and hence their mids had first access. Not what we want. But what can we do to win the rucks?

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Reply #5 – July 24, 2025, 10:23:27 pm

We got a lot of frees, but we should have got a lot more. I didn't even see the whole game and I saw so many marks that weren't paid to us and frees that weren't either. As for 50 m penalties, any number of Hawks could stand as close as they liked without being penalized. Amazing!

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Reply #6 – July 24, 2025, 10:40:27 pm

To still have no structure no game plan no system in moving the ball on transition kicking in from a behind or finding a forward its absolutely staggering. I thought of all nights we would have a red hot go tonight but still we come out flat and were not able to motivate ourself. Pretty disgusting when you think about it and its an indictment on the players and coaches.

Moving forward, Im confident Wright is the man for this as unless you want to keep looking back to 2023, the majority of this list are consistant faikures and even the ones that could compete no longer have it and major changes are needed to alter our trajectory.

No one should be off limits if the right offers come along and i look forward to a very different list next year and coached by someone that is capable of mixing it with the likes of McCrae, Scott, Mitchell etc.

Hopefully we can rebuild this time a tad quicker.

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Reply #7 – July 24, 2025, 10:41:14 pm

Looks like we have three teams - forwards, mids and backs and then three teams within them. These teams seem to have never worked with each other or have a semblance of constructive footy - we know that we will bomb it straight to opposition out of defence and going into the 50.

Congratulations Doc on an inspirational career, and Weiters as well another solid+ game.

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Reply #8 – July 24, 2025, 10:41:24 pm

Not a great standard game, thought we battled on and competed ok in the clearances etc but fell down where
we couldnt show any efficiency in our forward half.
Hawthorn were not impressive imo and they profited from our turnovers and i cant see them worrying the better teams in the finals.

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Reply #9 – July 24, 2025, 10:53:46 pm

The margin flattered us in the end, they got out to a handy lead early and kept us at arms length for the rest of match.

A number of our players were unsighted in the first quarter, some of them didn't even touch the aggot, just not up to AFL standard and never will.

O'Farrell keeps impressing me even though he is do light in the body, we've got one there !!

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Reply #10 – July 24, 2025, 10:54:37 pm

We just don't get enough from our horde of ground level forwards. It's like playing a few men short. Still don't know why some of them are playing, they don't apply enough pressure on the defenders (Hawks half backs had a picnic), they aren't smart enough to create enough scoring opportunities and they don't get to dangerous places frequently enough. None of them have tricks, elite pace or create any real fear in defenders...they're all slow, lack football IQ, and very slow to react. There's a lot of ball watching. If we want to improve, rectifying this component of the side is a must.

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Reply #11 – July 24, 2025, 10:56:59 pm

Quote from: Professer E – on July 24, 2025, 10:54:37 pm

We just don't get enough from our horde of ground level forwards. It's like playing a few men short. Still don't know why some of them are playing, they don't apply enough pressure on the defenders (Hawks half backs had a picnic), they aren't smart enough to create enough scoring opportunities and they don't get to dangerous places frequently enough. None of them have tricks, elite pace or create any real fear in defenders...they're all slow, lack football IQ, and very slow to react. There's a lot of ball watching. If we want to improve, rectifying this component of the side is a must.

We also need to stop tolerating rubbish performances from players week after week. E.g Saad, Acres, Curnow for weeks, De Koning.

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Reply #12 – July 24, 2025, 11:14:34 pm

I'm hearing you - I said last week that Saad isn't an automatic selection anymore and selecting Acres this week was a joke.
The one I don't get is Motlop. I've never seen a bloke so "around the play" yet he rarely actually influences the play in an effective manner - never quite gets there, just misses the spoil or the tackle. The occassional deft knock on or goal isn't enough for his game time. What he'd get, his usual 7 possessions? The infrequent cameos ain't cutting it.

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Reply #13 – July 24, 2025, 11:19:29 pm

Id give the MC a pass for selection this week. Some of them were "last game with doc" selections.

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Reply #14 – July 24, 2025, 11:23:13 pm

Sorry, I'm not interested in playing nice anymore. Nice sides are loser sides. What happened to ruthless?