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Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #15 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Amazing what some confidence does, Frankie has found his place, has become very dependable around the ground and in front of goal.
I must admit, I didn't think he had it in him, but over the last few weeks he has stood up when others have not. Outmarking Mac Andrews was brilliant. And he kicks the ball over distance. I don't think Frankie is ever going to be a star, but he is going to be a better player than a number of our present small forwards.
Kudos to him.

Like Haynes, he has improved significantly over the season. He will probably be going around next year as well.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough.  But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters.    As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young.   Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
I don't rate either Riewoldt: neither of them has much idea about what is really happening. Even Kane Cornes can get something right occasionally (very occasionally); I also read on one of the threads that a broken clock is correct twice a day: he's about that standard. But he still has more idea than either of the Riewoldts, which is frightening when you consider it. Back in the day, there were guys like Peter Landy and Lou Richards; Landy couldn't pronounce anyone's name correctly, even if it was in English, and Richards was Collingwood to the core, but neither of them would make such a moronic mistake. They were professionals, not clowns (even though Lou tried to be sometimes with his predictions).
It is sad to see the standard of commentator nowadays, as none of them have the gravitas or the objectivity of those old fogies. Far too many modern commentators push their own barrows or have their co-workers try to coerce them into doing so. And the less I talk about roving Brian, the better. I shudder at the thought!

[1] Kind didn't kick any of Weitering. He was matched with Lewis Young all night. That, in itself, was probably the difference in the game as Lewis Young never gets close to an opponent, nor is he physical. King rarely kicks goals on Weitering because Weitering is physical and doesn't allow King to get a jump at the ball.

[2] I was not impressed with King. He didn't chase. He didn't tackle. He didn't win any contests. He was lucky that Lewis Young couldn't pick up a cold, and that his team mates can hit targets (especially when they're under no pressure). He kicked straight. He found some space because Young isn't a decent defender. To use the vernacular of a different sport, he was a receiver, with all the connotations that implies.
I was much more impressed by Harry McKay, not because he wears our colours (although that helps - Gold Coast's guernsey is a shocker!), but because he isn't known for being a hard worker and he was tonight. He rucked particularly well; better than de Koning. He had to work for his goals, because we can't deliver the ball like Gold Coast could. He took contested marks. He chased and tackled. He had 13 possessions and he had to earn them the hard way.

[3] Gold Coast are 5th, and yet a VFL standard Carlton side scared the crap out of them! We have 10 (at least) players who would have players tonight if they were fit unavailable, many for a long time. Not quite as bad as last year, perhaps, but not even top teams win with half their line-up unavailable.
We had 7 guys who have played less than 15 games running around tonight. Lord was good: he smothered Noah Anderson quite well. Frankie Evans has been talked about: he has probably played himself into a new contract. Ashton Moir did some marvellous things, and generally did them under pressure. I am looking forward to seeing demanding game when everyone is fit again.

[4] The Umpiring: The team stats tells us that we got 25 frees and they got 28. That is a huge number of frees in a modern game. However, it was a game where we really got a poor run with the umpires. There were some absolute shockers paid against us, or not paid at all. Not enough to determine the result, but when you're struggling you don't want to be playing against 3 extra players, which we were for most of the night.
I know how hard our game is to umpire: I'd done enough of it (before I got injured so much - you can't run well with a plastic and Titanium knee), but the errors tonight were unprofessional.

[5] Tonight showed that we have a few guys who should not be playing AFL football. Lachlan Fogarty is one; his missing 2 crucial goals cost us hugely. He can't kick 35 m, and doesn't hit targets. He tries and he can tackle well, but he doesn't hurt the opposition. He should not get a new contract.
Lewis Young has had some moment this year, as a 2nd ruck or forward, but he has shown far too often, he isn't an AFL grade defender. he doesn't stay on his opponent and he makes lethal mistakes. I don't think we can carry him any longer.
Will White is not in good form at the moment; I would have preferred to see him in the VFL until he got some. At least we know he would have a go. I just don't see him being a long term player, but he does provide something.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #17 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough.  But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters.    As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young.  Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??
Lyon made the same blunder, he basically pumped up King for kicking a bag on Weiters, but I think it was 4 of the 6 King kicked were purely on Young. What really hurts isn't that so much, the callers are drop kicks, what really hurts is when you come across Carlton people in the forums paying out of Weitering for being touched up by King, they must be even bigger d#$kheads than either Lyon or Riewoldt because;

A - They don't know the difference between Weitering and Young.
and / or
B - They believed / bought what Lyon and Riewoldt had to say.

At least Lyon and Riewoldt have the excuse of being morons who are disinterested in Carlton.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #18 –
I have to say, in the wash up, credit where credit is due, I think Evans despite a weak start is beginning to look highly likely to be better value than Owies.

At this stage of the season I'm going to let Fogarty have a few missteps, he stood up for us at times previously in the season when the other small forwards weren't. I don't judge Fogarty like I judge some of the others because I don't see him as having the same potential or tricks, he's a workhorse type, the others with bigger wraps on them are delivering less.

We might be disappointed that the late rally was stifled by a shot in our own foot, but really we'd already put a noose around our neck in the first 3 quarters.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #19 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough.  But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters.    As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young.   Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??

Weitering was on him .
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #20 –
One subtle change, and it may be that a couple just stood out, was an effort to keep the ball going forward or taps to the advantage of a team-mate.
Rather than taking possession there were quite a few big thumps and knock ons.

I'm a bit of softy for seeing fringe players and maligned players doing well, going against the grain.
It was great to see Evans show a bit.
Not only kicking for goal but a couple of elite passes.
Cooper Lord flies under the radar a bit but his efforts are starting to be noticed
He does give real effort and is a workhorse.
He's a keeper, and Frank has probably earned another year.

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #21 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Jack reiwolt on the fox after show giving Ben king props, which is fair enough.  But lost me when he said that he kicked 6 on weeters.    As he was saying it, the highlights were running, showing king taking half a dozen grabs over Lewis young.   Do these guys, making half a million a year actually watch the matches they talk dribble about??

Weitering was on him .

I found it hard to tell at any point who had who.
Seemed to see both at various stages.
At times Young or Weitering would peel off to attack the ball and then you'd see the other trailing King to the ball and assume that was the match-up.

I understand it's all about matchups and sometimes freeing Weitering up by not always matching him against the best forward.
When we used to play Geelong it was nearly always Weitering v Hawkins.
And Weitering rarely lost that contest.
Rarely was it Weitering v Cameron so our 'second best defender' got to run around with Cameron who often did significant damage.
It may have been judged that Weitering would have been less value against a very mobile Cameron and Hawkins would also have got off the leash against a lighter opponent...I just found it a little strange

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #22 –
No confusion. He was smashed.
So was Cripps.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #23 –
Hardwick's press conference was interesting.
A fair bit of relief.
Carton are a lot better than their record suggests.
Lord is a good player, does some good roles...."talking about his role on Anderson"

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on


Weitering was on him .

I found it hard to tell at any point who had who.
Seemed to see both at various stages.
At times Young or Weitering would peel off to attack the ball and then you'd see the other trailing King to the ball and assume that was the match-up.

I understand it's all about matchups and sometimes freeing Weitering up by not always matching him against the best forward.
When we used to play Geelong it was nearly always Weitering v Hawkins.
And Weitering rarely lost that contest.
Rarely was it Weitering v Cameron so our 'second best defender' got to run around with Cameron who often did significant damage.
It may have been judged that Weitering would have been less value against a very mobile Cameron and Hawkins would also have got off the leash against a lighter opponent...I just found it a little strange

Weitering's positioning was terrible last night, I thought he put pressure on his team mates especially Young. I think Weiters tries to do too much, worry more about your man who is getting off the chain and let the others worry about theirs. Too often it looked like he was trying mind King and Reid and was minding neither in the end. Thats what it looked like to me and a mate of mine.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #25 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
No confusion. He was smashed.
So was Cripps.
I wouldnt say Cripps was smashed but he was unusually undisciplined I thought.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #26 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Amazing what some confidence does, Frankie has found his place, has become very dependable around the ground and in front of goal.
I must admit, I didn't think he had it in him, but over the last few weeks he has stood up when others have not. Outmarking Mac Andrews was brilliant. And he kicks the ball over distance. I don't think Frankie is ever going to be a star, but he is going to be a better player than a number of our present small forwards.
Kudos to him.

Like Haynes, he has improved significantly over the season. He will probably be going around next year as well.
Most definitely, runs straight at the footy also which I love, doesn't shirk a contest as we saw a few weeks ago v May. Last night he was outnumbered 3 on 1 and just put his body on the line to halve the contest and win us the footy. Voss will be showing that to the group over and over this week.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #27 –
Glad Vossy mentioned in his post game media that obvious free kicks for us missed - especially H.

Cooper Lord - we've got a ripper there.

Frankie Evans - our best small forward on the night by a considerable margin... Kicked goals, displayed real footy IQ and proper disposal by foot to the best target! How novel is that :o  :o

We did to the opposition last night in the last qtr what so many have done to us (and wilted)... change the game. And the Suns didn't have the answers, against a seriously under-manned side. Put a few more better/experienced players on the paddock for us in that last quarter and we pinch it. Dare I say it but we were actually exciting to watch in that final qtr.

FFS, CFC, focus on disposal for Ollie in the off season. He does so much that is terrific, and undoes it with poor disposal and creating confusion with aggot in hand.

Motlop. Just totally, absolutely and completely confused here. Looks like he could tear a game apart with his endeavour and running around everywhere, but achieves so little. Yep, I'm completely confused.

I hope we persist with Billy, Moir and Skull next week but think it's time for Fogarty to be rested and not sure what to do with Will W and Flynn Y.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #28 –
I wouldn't be getting too carried with Evans, he has played one good game and now we want to sign him to a long term deal and name a grandstand after him..
Durdin kicked 4 goals in a game earlier and Motlop has had his moments but it's all about consistency and we have too many up and down players.
Lord and Hollands may not do the flashy stuff but they are consistent with effort each week and until players like Evans, Durdin etc can give us what they give I'd be less inclined to continue with them.
Re: Weitering...been off his game for most of the second half of the season, something not right there.

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #29 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Lods – on


I found it hard to tell at any point who had who.
Seemed to see both at various stages.
At times Young or Weitering would peel off to attack the ball and then you'd see the other trailing King to the ball and assume that was the match-up.

I understand it's all about matchups and sometimes freeing Weitering up by not always matching him against the best forward.
When we used to play Geelong it was nearly always Weitering v Hawkins.
And Weitering rarely lost that contest.
Rarely was it Weitering v Cameron so our 'second best defender' got to run around with Cameron who often did significant damage.
It may have been judged that Weitering would have been less value against a very mobile Cameron and Hawkins would also have got off the leash against a lighter opponent...I just found it a little strange

Weitering's positioning was terrible last night, I thought he put pressure on his team mates especially Young. I think Weiters tries to do too much, worry more about your man who is getting off the chain and let the others worry about theirs. Too often it looked like he was trying mind King and Reid and was minding neither in the end. Thats what it looked like to me and a mate of mine.
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.