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Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #30 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.

If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men.
The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...
Captain Edward Smith was a respected sailor and leader of men, spanning over 40 years at sea, and was known for his experience and calm demeanor. He was a nice bloke who won some medals and went to lots of parties too but I wouldnt have been hiring him to take my shiny new boat out for a cruise anytime soon...😉

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #31 –
I think Hinkley would be very good alongside Voss
He wouldn't be a coach in waiting because if Voss fails the combination would have been seen to fail too.
Most coaches would go to those who coached them when they were players for some words of wisdom.
In this case it's slightly different beause it's an assistant/coach relationship rather than a player/coach relationship.
But the same rules apply.
It's also a bit different in that Kenny would be 'on tap' rather than a phone call away.

Hinkley's been involved in coaching for most of the century.
He was an assistant at Geelong for two of their premierships.
At Port the lowest his side has finished is 11th
They've made finals seven out of the twelve seasons he's been coaching them.
He has a close to 60% win/loss record.
They've made 4 preliminary finals, and while that may be seen as  negative because they didn't make it to the end, at least they gave the seasons a good shot.
He's got them close enough that he must have some idea of what he's doing.

The important thing is his relationship with Voss...we assume it's a good one.
If it is, I wouldn't mind we went with the combination.
They'll thrive or dive together.

@ bb I hope I don't end up like Crassus :( ..or Caligula ;)
Roman leaders rarely died of old age. :D

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #32 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: northernblue – on
If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men.
The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...

That's alright. Many times I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, although I have no doubt my interlocutors feel much the same.


the joys of forums :D
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #33 –
We need some new fresh ideas, not a reheat of the Port Adelaide coaching box imo, the Voss/Hinkley combo didnt work for Port and I think Voss needs to follow some of his own advice and that its not just the players who need to get comfortable being uncomfortable and he needs assistants who are going to challenge his thinking and not agree with everything he says like his buddy Kenny will do most of the time. Port have been terrible this season and the Hinkley/Carr partnership has been a disaster like most predicted. He does a great aeroplane impression just ask jack Ginnivan but I dont remember too many coaching highlights from Kenny this season...

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #34 –
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft

I'm thinking of you and your family Prof, hang in there.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #36 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.

What would they know?
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
All the best Prof to you, your father and your family, the Austin is a good hospital.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft

Very sorry to hear that Prof.
There are times when the trials and troubles of our football club seem a lot less important.
But it's obviously a club that's played an important part in his life and given his age he would have known and seen the best of times, and the greatest of Carlton players.
I'm sure they gave him some great moments.
Take care.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
I've been in your shoes Prof, and can only say, that whilst the actual experience was terrible, there were some memories that were created in that situation that are double edged. 

We carry pieces of the people we have lost with us everywhere we go, and luckily the game this weekend will not mean a lot in the scheme of things. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft

Sorry to hear that Prof.

A couple of months after his 92nd birthday, Dad rang me to complain about the pain he was in.  I thought I'd cheer him up and said, "You'll feel better when we beat Collingwood on Saturday."  He responded with "Bulsh1t!" and hung up on me.  That was the last thing he ever said to me as he simply willed himself to die.  No palliative care, he was there and then he wasn't.

Mum went through palliative care at the Austin in her 98th year.  That was both sad and joyous as she revelled in the company of her children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren.

I hope your dad's passing is peaceful.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #41 –
Quote from: DJC – on
What would they know?

It's not unreasonable to surmise that if you're winning an award like that without winning the flag, you'd have to be coaching pretty well. Much like Sam Walsh winning the Gary Ayres award even though we didn't play the GF.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #42 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm at the palliative care unit at the Austin watching my dad expire so for the first time in living memory he won't be watching his beloved blues go around this weekend.  Emotionally I'll have a lot riding on this game and hope we give a good account of ourselves against a side we don't normally play well against, because they think we're soft
Sorry to hear this Prof. All my best for you and yours during this tough time.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #43 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: DJC – on
What would they know?

It's not unreasonable to surmise that if you're winning an award like that without winning the flag, you'd have to be coaching pretty well. Much like Sam Walsh winning the Gary Ayres award even though we didn't play the GF.

I was being facetious Paul - should have used an emoticon or two  :)

Of course the AFL coaches know who is coaching well.  That only four of the last ten Alan Jeans award winners were the premiership coach indicates that the AFL coaches believe that there are more important criteria than lifting the cup.  The fact that Hinkley won it in 2013 and 2020 suggests that he has been on top of his game for a long time and may have a lot more to offer than an ambitious assistant coach.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #44 –
He's got his 95 premiership cap and David Rhys Jones photo so he's in good company.
Thanks fellas.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?