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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #15 –
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We don't know what the opposition would do as the current mob have been in power for the last 12 years and its hard to find an area of the state they have improved under their leadership.

Any half decent opposition should have been a shoe in the last few elections and its a blight on the sad state of local government that despite doing such a poor job the same party keeps getting re-elected.  The libs do little to instill confidence amongst the people but the current mob has had 12 years and look at where we are at - time is well and truly up and someone else should be given the chance to improve right the wrongs.

Isn't that the problem Shawny - that we don't know what the opposition will do, because they won't tell us?  Great at highlighting issues, not so great at offering solutions.

Don't know if they want to fix anything - that would require them to be in in government and to actually do something.  Much easier complaining from opposition.  There have been three terms of Liberal/LNP government in Vic since 1982 - they have no idea how to win an election.  When Bolte won in 1955, Libs were in power until 1982 - 27 years.

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Reply #16 –
The opposition has nothinged itself into oblivion, they are beyond pathetic, utterly spineless in opposition. They spend more time usurping each other than they do countering the government.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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To me the main problem seems to be the gutless mask wearing thugs opportunistically hiding behind legitimate causes to create havoc, "Sovereign Citizens", 1%ers", "Conspiracy Nutters" and "Neo-Nazis" hiding behind university students and grandmothers.

This has little or nothing to do with the political left or right, that's just an excuse to bash a political opponent, the p1ssweak political parties are happy to schtuum it up when the target is the opposition.

Laws were passed to unmask these extremists, but they have never been enacted, it's as my signature quote states.

Step one should be removing the opportunity to profit from this sort of behaviour and a lot of it will evaporate, like that nutter who runs the Desi Retreats!
Crime increases when society breaks down more and people get more desperate in their efforts to survive.
Australia has become like the old Germany post WW1 when it transitioned from a semi-authoritarian empire to the Weimar Republic, a democracy that protected individual right and limited police power. You end up with the people looking for alternatives to restore safety and  order and thats when you get right wing extremists and nutters like the Nazi Party back then or in our case One Nation gaining popularity, political support and eventually power.
A lot of what went on back then mirrors what is happening in Australia even down to recent events with Jewish folk being hassled and buildings defaced etc due to society tolerating and being weak on offenders under the banner of democracy and freedom of speech etc but it all gets down to politics.
In short you have to fix the economic problems to fix the crime problems or you will get a repeat of history on a world wide level not just Australia..
 

We were talking about this at the dinner table tonight and the saying "the fish rots from the head" dawned on. Here you have our leaders getting on TV or on radio saying things like "there's no problem" or "Melbourne is safe". They are either delusional, dumb, talking crap/spin or all of the above. As the average Joe Blow if Melbourne is safe or If crime is in check or not and see what responses you get.
Keep burying heads in the sand and talking the softly softly approach, its got us this far so should keep working a treat...not
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It was the anti racism protesters yesterday throwing rocks the size of coke cans at police.


There are anti racism protestors here? Could have fooled me.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #19 –
Politicians do not raise children.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #20 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
In short you have to fix the economic problems to fix the crime problems or you will get a repeat of history on a world wide level not just Australia..
It's a furphy that they are strugglers, they turn up to protests in Landcruisers and tricked up twin cabs, using your tax dollars to fund protests, then use more tax dollars to fund legal action against police with bogus brutality claims, and win compo funded with more of your tax dollars.

Look carefully at the crowds, it's the same faces, that is why they do their best to hide them, they have turned protest into a profession.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #21 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Crime increases when society breaks down more and people get more desperate in their efforts to survive.
Australia has become like the old Germany post WW1 when it transitioned from a semi-authoritarian empire to the Weimar Republic, a democracy that protected individual right and limited police power. You end up with the people looking for alternatives to restore safety and  order and thats when you get right wing extremists and nutters like the Nazi Party back then or in our case One Nation gaining popularity, political support and eventually power.
A lot of what went on back then mirrors what is happening in Australia even down to recent events with Jewish folk being hassled and buildings defaced etc due to society tolerating and being weak on offenders under the banner of democracy and freedom of speech etc but it all gets down to politics.
In short you have to fix the economic problems to fix the crime problems or you will get a repeat of history on a world wide level not just Australia..
 

We were talking about this at the dinner table tonight and the saying "the fish rots from the head" dawned on. Here you have our leaders getting on TV or on radio saying things like "there's no problem" or "Melbourne is safe". They are either delusional, dumb, talking crap/spin or all of the above. As the average Joe Blow if Melbourne is safe or If crime is in check or not and see what responses you get.
Keep burying heads in the sand and talking the softly softly approach, its got us this far so should keep working a treat...not
this occurs when politicians enjoy privilege and dont understand what Joe average goes through. 

According to them, property affordability isnt an issue, they live in affluent suburbs so everything is rosy there too with minimal crime and probably minimal youths.

The distance between the haves and the have nots has grown significantly and circling back to the house thing, why would a young person get a job? Is it to afford to live?  They are unlikely to earn enough money to put a roof over their own heads and face arguably the biggest challenge in working to afford something and live their life at the same time when they can go on unemployment benefits and simply live their life.  They wont ever earn big bucks doing so but most of them dont care, and frankly aside from building a career what are they working for?  There is more scope for them to make money off instagram videos than there is in the workforce for the majority of them.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #22 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Baggers – on


Shawny, I suspect you may have bought into the HUN puerile and simplistic assumption that it was 'lefties' who threw the rocks. That's called shoehorning events to suit your own political agenda. FA to do with left, right, middle, up down... whateverthefck


I didnt buy into anything simply quoted what the police minister said in his press conference which was so refreshing to see someone stand up to these lowlifes and call them out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbliCmt0QqA

As others have said enough is enough. The politicians are weak and compulsive liars and the current lot are simply incapable of fixing the mess they caused. The machete bins fiasco says enough of the incompetence of those we elected to run the state (well i didn't but enough did unfortunately) - they focus on topics to win votes and fail to address the important issues. Our state is being overrun with criminals, majority out on bond, no repercussions for violent protesters against the law as well as the effect of letting tens of thousands of immigrants in weekly with too many that don't want to assimilate to our customs and worst part is when they commit a serious crime they is stuff all to deter the next lot from offending. Lack of mental health facilities to monitor and house those who should not be on the street. That poor chef that was stabbed in the city last week for no reason was just sickening.


Like your work, Shawny. You call it as you see it - gotta respect that. And you identify many legitimate concerns and problems.

**warning, corporate cliche coming** Let's 'drill down' into the important issues you raise.

1. Politicians. Former Liberal Party minister Don Chipp once commented that the Australian Democrats were there to 'keep the bastards honest.' He was the AD's inaugural leader after leaving the Libs. Today you'd call him a 'moderate' or 'progressive' conservative. Eventually the AD folded. Seems 'keeping the bastards honest' is a lost cause. Looking to politicians for courageous leadership is bound to result in disappointment.
The Libs. Nationally and in our state of Victoria, they're a rabble with the inevitable happening - the Far Right and Moderates are at war with each other betraying their founders' vision, especially Bob Menzies. But they are doing more than betraying Bob (a one-eyed Bluebagger by the way), they are letting down the nation and state, respectively, by failing to provide a viable alternative to the incumbents effectively handing them the keys. Absolute power corrupts... bla bla bla.

2. Machete bins. Oh dear. A pale attempt to emulate Howard's moratorium on firearms and their voluntary surrender. Abject failure to address the root causes of too many angry youths taking to the streets with violent intent, though locking up more of them now will help... a little bit, for a little while. I'll throw in a left field item that I believe contributes to youth crime (and serious mental health issues)... divorce. Back in the 80s and 90s many folks in the mental health field identified that young males in particular would be future problems owing to being, simply put, under fathered and over mothered. Sheesh, it's tough enough for an 'in tact' family to raise one child, let alone two or more on your own! Then you have the issues that Principal LODS identified in the lower socio-economic, welfare and crime families/groups - a hapless revolving door. What are we doing, on a meaningful level, to address this?

3. Protests. A reminder that it was the 'left' that created the term 'non-violent protesting' ...in the 60s. The Spotted One (LP) was probably closest to the pin with his comment about the professional, angry, malcontents who infiltrate peaceful demonstrations and in this case, hurl rocks. FA to do with the Left, everything to do with d*ckheads. This is not a recent occurrence, been going on for decades but now with sensational news reporting it does seem the state is being overrun by crims. It's a problem for sure, but over and agenda driven reporting, clouds and exaggerates the very real problem.
As an aside, a mate who served with me in the Navy on leaving the service went into commercial TV in Sydney and was telling me only recently how in news rooms (TV and print) the footage would come in from a protest and they would edit the coverage in such a way that the focus was on scuffles, and worse, greatly exaggerating the extent of any violence.

4. Immigration. Holy mackeral I recall the same racism/xenophobia in the 50s against the poms ('The $10 immigrants'), 60s, 70s and even 80s against Greeks, Italians and Middle Eastern immigrants... then to Indian and Asian folks, and so on it goes. This is nothing new, Shawny. Seems to be spliced into the DNA of some folks (Xenophobia).

5. Mental health. Yes, closing facilities and farming out folks with serious (and sometimes dangerous) mental health issues back to families and the community is a tragic, urgent issue. Mr Kennett has a fair bit of blood on his hands in this regard. And this very real problem is still a long way from being dealt with properly and well.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
As an aside, a mate who served with me in the Navy on leaving the service went into commercial TV in Sydney and was telling me only recently how in news rooms (TV and print) the footage would come in from a protest and they would edit the coverage in such a way that the focus was on scuffles, and worse, greatly exaggerating the extent of any violence.
I've travelled a lot for work and recreation, while overseas on more than one occasion I've had alarmed family call me after being exposed to "creatively edited" media content. On one occasion I was in a foreign capital that was apparently burning to the ground after riotous protests in the central park, my hotel room overlooked that park and I was strolling through it enjoying the sun and fresh air when the call came in! When I checked with my local contacts the event that was represented in Oz as mass worker protest was in effect a union picket outside a single government building opposing redundancies. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a highly rating racist story!

The stupid thing is local protestors model their behaviour and tactics on the fake reports that they watch, so in effect this is a feedback loop caused by the media's own fake reporting.

Even worse, when I was at News Ltd, the tip offs about protests and demonstrations, in most cases union related back then, would come in from the same handful people no matter the industry sectors involved. So as you mentioned this has been going on for a long long time.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: shawny – on


I didnt buy into anything simply quoted what the police minister said in his press conference which was so refreshing to see someone stand up to these lowlifes and call them out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbliCmt0QqA

As others have said enough is enough. The politicians are weak and compulsive liars and the current lot are simply incapable of fixing the mess they caused. The machete bins fiasco says enough of the incompetence of those we elected to run the state (well i didn't but enough did unfortunately) - they focus on topics to win votes and fail to address the important issues. Our state is being overrun with criminals, majority out on bond, no repercussions for violent protesters against the law as well as the effect of letting tens of thousands of immigrants in weekly with too many that don't want to assimilate to our customs and worst part is when they commit a serious crime they is stuff all to deter the next lot from offending. Lack of mental health facilities to monitor and house those who should not be on the street. That poor chef that was stabbed in the city last week for no reason was just sickening.


4. Immigration. Holy mackeral I recall the same racism/xenophobia in the 50s against the poms ('The $10 immigrants'), 60s, 70s and even 80s against Greeks, Italians and Middle Eastern immigrants... then to Indian and Asian folks, and so on it goes. This is nothing new, Shawny. Seems to be spliced into the DNA of some folks (Xenophobia).


Don't agree with this one - the immigrants that flooded our shores in the 50s-80s, the vast majority assimilated into the Aussie culture, worked and worked bloody hard, respected our laws and authority and if kids of Wog parents like me dared to disrespect the law or even just be rude to anyone older then we were we coped it.  From what i hear the current crop we are letting in by the tens of thousands just don't have those traits at all and its clear to see how things are headed.

The amount of crime in certain pockets of this state, in particular the western suburbs is worse than its ever been. There is no respect for the law whatsoever and regardless of which side of the political fence you sit on serious crime such as car jackings, home invasions, knife offences against civilians has never been this brazen. Everytime im out and about function party etc and im speaking to an emergency workers I always ask them for thir experiences and im yet to met one that said its the same as it was 20 years ago. They all say in different ways that there is a disproportion number of serious crimes coming from individual's from certain war torn regions. Sure there was crime in the 50, 60 and 70s from the Europeans, Asian, Indian etc but nothing like this. 

If you are not fully committed to our culture our laws our flag and our peaceful way of life and are not willing to work hard then you should not be allowed in regardless of how bad your current life is. I know it sounds a bit cold but allowing those in who don't 100% buy into our values is slowly turning our streets like the ones they escaped.

And if you commit a serious crime their citizenship should be revoked.     

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #25 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Baggers – on


4. Immigration. Holy mackeral I recall the same racism/xenophobia in the 50s against the poms ('The $10 immigrants'), 60s, 70s and even 80s against Greeks, Italians and Middle Eastern immigrants... then to Indian and Asian folks, and so on it goes. This is nothing new, Shawny. Seems to be spliced into the DNA of some folks (Xenophobia).


Don't agree with this one - the immigrants that flooded our shores in the 50s-80s, the vast majority assimilated into the Aussie culture, worked and worked bloody hard, respected our laws and authority and if kids of Wog parents like me dared to disrespect the law or even just be rude to anyone older then we were we coped it.  From what i hear the current crop we are letting in by the tens of thousands just don't have those traits at all and its clear to see how things are headed.

The amount of crime in certain pockets of this state, in particular the western suburbs is worse than its ever been. There is no respect for the law whatsoever and regardless of which side of the political fence you sit on serious crime such as car jackings, home invasions, knife offences against civilians has never been this brazen. Everytime im out and about function party etc and im speaking to an emergency workers I always ask them for thir experiences and im yet to met one that said its the same as it was 20 years ago. They all say in different ways that there is a disproportion number of serious crimes coming from individual's from certain war torn regions. Sure there was crime in the 50, 60 and 70s from the Europeans, Asian, Indian etc but nothing like this. 

If you are not fully committed to our culture our laws our flag and our peaceful way of life and are not willing to work hard then you should not be allowed in regardless of how bad your current life is. I know it sounds a bit cold but allowing those in who don't 100% buy into our values is slowly turning our streets like the ones they escaped.

And if you commit a serious crime their citizenship should be revoked.     
Agree, Western suburbs in Victoria is a nightmare place to try and live and survive, there a lot of good people doing it tough out there and suffering with the criminal types running amok. You have to live there to understand how bad it is, said it before that my daughter lived out at Caroline Springs/Fraser Rise and it was a madhouse.
She copped the lot ,gangs at the shops doing car jackings, damaged cars in the street, attempted break ins to her home, people stabbed at Watergardens shopping centre ,even a drone hovering outside her kitchen window with a white package onboard. One in Nine people known to police she was told, lucky she moved to Greensborough where the only break ins are from possums and the odd bird or two trying to nest in a gap under your eaves.