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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #135 –
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I'll say this, I used to see a liver specialist at a public hospital here in Melbourne. Check is via swiping your Medicare card at a console where you get a ticket with a number. The wait at the specialist clinics there is normally horrendous. On one occasion, in my haste, I accidentally clicked yes to the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander question. I can tell you on that occasion my wait was minuscule, I virtually got called in straight away. Coincidence? Perhaps.

Oh no!  You've skewed the data  :)
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #136 –
I don't feel even remotely divided because I may be in a hospital waiting room, and once in my lifetime a First Nations person may get taken in a few minutes before me. Equality of outcome and facilitating a more level access to medical treatment are what's important IMO.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #137 –
Looks like Brad Battin's days as Victorian Opposition Leader are numbered.

If shadow treasurer Jess Wilson rolls him as expected, that will be three Opposition Leaders in less than 12 months.

You would think that the Coalition have the next election sewed up but the deep divisions in the Liberal Party could see them lose yet another election.  All they would really have to do is put on a united front and avoid major gaffes but that seems to be beyond them.

I can't say that I'll be sorry to see the back of Battin and I don't know anything about Wilson.  John Pesutto was doing OK until he upset the right by taking on Moya Deeming.  I can't see them letting him back.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #138 –
It looks like Battin is toast.

To paraphrase Bill Hayden, “A drover’s dog could lead the Libs to victory at the next election,” but they’re focused on their own internal conflicts and getting even 🙄
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #139 –
That’s a meteoric rise for Jess Wilson who is a first term MP.

First female leader of the Victorian Libs too.

Good luck to her 🙏

She might need it; the Liberal right is up in arms!
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #140 –
I suppose the fundamental problem with the Liberals even at a state level is that they are percieved as a coalition not a party, and that is because they behave like a coalition and not a party, they do not exhibit unity. And the people being offered as alternatives to the right might not be as pure as the general public is lead to believe.

There is quite a bit of irony for the anti-soclialist and anti-union LIberals to be torn apart by obvious factions even if they refuse to call them factions.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #141 –
I know Brad's brother.  We are loosely related by marriage.  Seems like a good type to lead, no wonder he got dumped by politicians.

:P
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #142 –
And another one bites the dust………..
Reality always wins in the end.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #143 –
Quote from: LP – on
I suppose the fundamental problem with the Liberals even at a state level is that they are percieved as a coalition not a party, and that is because they behave like a coalition and not a party, they do not exhibit unity. And the people being offered as alternatives to the right might not be as pure as the general public is lead to believe.

There is quite a bit of irony for the anti-soclialist and anti-union LIberals to be torn apart by obvious factions even if they refuse to call them factions.

There are factions alright at a federal level...

The National Right (the largest faction) -Angus Taylor, Mickey Cash, Hastie (although he's probably moving around a bit due to leadership aspirations.

The Moderates (the party's left-such as it is)- Ley and Ted O'Brien sit here.

And the Centre Right (the group in the middle)-once the largest group during Morrison's time...now a shell of less than half a dozen due to lost seats and factional movement.

I'm not sure how those grouping tanslate to Victorian politics.


Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #144 –
Not factions in the Libs/Nationals.  They are one big broad church! ^-^

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #145 –
Jess Wilson is an attempt from the Libs to change course and try and appeal to younger voters and female voters.
Be interested if rusted on older Lib voters buy what she is selling given she is a more moderate Liberal and has some personal views that are not aligned with normal liberal policy offerings.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #146 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jess Wilson is an attempt from the Libs to change course and try and appeal to younger voters and female voters.
Be interested if rusted on older Lib voters buy what she is selling given she is a more moderate Liberal and has some personal views that are not aligned with normal liberal policy offerings.

That's going to be her big challenge EB.

Jess Wilson had a good first day and I think that she could drag the Liberals out of the quagmire, if given the freedom to do so.  I think that she will appeal to younger voters and female voters and they've both been the Libs' Achille's heels over the last quarter of a century.  It's those crusty, old, misogynistic Libs that will act as a sheet anchor, or worse, and will fight to stop the party regaining the centre ground.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #147 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jess Wilson is an attempt from the Libs to change course and try and appeal to younger voters and female voters.
Be interested if rusted on older Lib voters buy what she is selling given she is a more moderate Liberal and has some personal views that are not aligned with normal liberal policy offerings.

That's going to be her big challenge EB.

Jess Wilson had a good first day and I think that she could drag the Liberals out of the quagmire, if given the freedom to do so.  I think that she will appeal to younger voters and female voters and they've both been the Libs' Achille's heels over the last quarter of a century.  It's those crusty, old, misogynistic Libs that will act as a sheet anchor, or worse, and will fight to stop the party regaining the centre ground.
I think she presents well and ticks quite a few boxes that her predecessors haven't. Having said that, I have a feeling that  Allan and her more experienced cronies will eat her alive and run her out of town.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #148 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm not sure how those grouping tanslate to Victorian politics.
From what I have heard about the back room stuff there is some irony the media calling the factions left, moderate or right, perhaps the term "fundamental" might be a better description of the lines of division.

God help us!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #149 –
Jacinta tells us the state is safe and our bail laws are the toughest in the country.

Yet an 11 year old stabs a 8 year old and police have confirmed no charges will
be laid as he is under the age of criminal conviction. He wore a balaclava had a fake gun and proceeded to stab a grade one child and a teacher. Did an adult crime so why allow him off scott free- Htf is this kid going to learn? Can you imagine in 5 years time what he will do. Juvenile detention is a min for this kid yet cant be charged.

Meanwhile at coles in Laurimar Machettes gang members terrorise innocent citizens going about their daily business - 2 of these criminals were charged yet unbelievably were yet again released on bail!! Can you fking believe it - nothing changes.

WTF has happened to our state - its out of control and regardless of which side of the political fence you sit on something needs to change and change fast.

The Laws and sentencing need major overhaulling yet nothing will happen as those running the state deny there is any issue.

Sad sad state of affairs