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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #285 –
So Jacinta knew nothing about this. She was the infrastructure minister at the time yet 'claims' she knew nothing

Therefore one of the following is correct - she is a pathological liar like the man she proceeded or she is completely incompetent.

Not sure which one is better but this corrupt party cannot be re-elected - they just can't. The libs are the weakest they have ever been and don't provide much backbone or kickback against this which is so weak however what the current party has done to this state on practically every front is criminal and cannot be accepted anymore.

I understand there are millions of dyed on labour supporters (that never admit it of course) who's silence speaks volumes when issues in our own backyard are raised they refuse to comment refuse to dare go against their political beliefs BUT to wash down the drain 5000 MILLION dollars of our money to criminal entities and criminal activities all while the state is at debt levels that our great grand kids will be paying off is pure evil and madness we accept it. Victoria has no money to fix roads, has no money to fund hospitals or health care properly and understaffed emergency services - it just makes my blood boil and every tax paying Victorian should be feeling the same!

Their answer to our debt that they got us in is to introduce new taxes as well as increasing current already ridiculously high taxes - so the average hard working Victoria cops it both ways and they walk away from politics set up for life without missing a beat.

Disgusting governance and happening under our noses and we just take it. Jacinta and that Criminal before her (the new Skase) are a blight on politics and the only thing they are consistent on is corruption and pathological lying, right down to their very core.  

Its 9.30 in the morning and my blood pressure is raising. Think i better stop.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #286 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: shawny – on


Nice try at deflecting.

How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me.

And my comparsion to US politics and the obsession with everything that happens on the other side of the world is very relevant and if comparing that to the corrupt government we have here just happens to trigger you well so be it.

Im fking triggered at the corrupt spending of 15 BILLION dollars of OUR money.

15 billion in case you didnt know is 15 thousand MILLION and yet not one comment about your thoughts on this situation.

i wonder why that is ?😏


It’s because DJC gets a trailing commission…



😎

That was so funny - you should join the Labour party.

They pay clowns well

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #288 –
"How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me"

Not accepting it, Shawny.  This is an absolute disgrace and appropriate action needs to be taken against the appropriate people - with 'I know nothing' or 'I don't remember' not being acceptable.

There are two difficulties that I have. The first is that no one was really made (federally) accountable for Robodebt - one of many horrific actions of the gov of the day.  There is a bit of shrug the shoulders - what can we do.  The second is that the opposition have its scandals the other way with property development and Lobster with a mobster - once bitten twice shy? Unless we are able to be absolutely convinced that this is no longer going on.

The conflict of interest ($$, power, looking after mates) within parliament is nearly as big as in the AFL.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #291 –
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #292 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt
I'm not sure 'everyone' is corrupt, Kruddler, but when any party remains in power without enough checks and balances, things appear to go backwards. And governments of different stripes tend to become 'corrupt' in different ways.
It give me nightmares to think how disastrous an extended period of Green party government might be, as I don't agree with many of their policies about anything.

However, I do think the Labour government of Victoria is considerably past its use-by date. I am hoping that there can be a viable alternative com Election Day.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #293 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt

Not at all.

i never once said the Libs will right every wrong and are honest true blah blah blah. i know very well they are generally all liars that dont follow through on promises and both sides blame one another whenever the sh1te hits the fan however regardless of which side of the fence you sit on we cant keep re electing a corrupt government simply because the alternative’may’ be just as bad. You cannot allow this sort of governance rewarded with re electing.

This very situation should be enough to remove a government imo.

if the same corrupt culture was found on a board of any private company would the board not be stood down immediately?

come on mate this can not be defended in any shape or form.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #294 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt

Not at all.

i never once said the Libs will right every wrong and are honest true blah blah blah. i know very well they are generally all liars that dont follow through on promises and both sides blame one another whenever the sh1te hits the fan however regardless of which side of the fence you sit on we cant keep re electing a corrupt government simply because the alternative’may’ be just as bad. You cannot allow this sort of governance rewarded with re electing.

This very situation should be enough to remove a government imo.

if the same corrupt culture was found on a board of any private company would the board not be stood down immediately?

come on mate this can not be defended in any shape or form.

I'm not defending anything.

Its just like asking someone which way they prefer to die, thrown off a big building or shot in the head. The method varies, but the end result is the same.
The party varies, but the end result is the same.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #295 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt
The Andrews Government which Jacinta Allan now leads is the most corrupt I have seen in my years, the Liberals are hopeless and incompetent but have a way to go to match what Labor have done to the State of Victoria.
Federally Albanese isnt far off what Andrews achieved and the Liberals under Taylor wont be any different to what Ley or Dutton delivered which was a useless opposition. Its why Pauline and One Nation have gained traction which probably tells you how bad the country is travelling.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #296 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Why do you insist on deflecting criticism of the senile narcissist in the White House with ill-considered complaints about Australian governments?

We have a thread devoted to the lunacy of the convicted felon and I started this thread to give you a platform to air what you believe are problems with our State and Commonwealth governments.

If you want to defend the indefensible, post in the Taco thread.  If you want to bleat about Australian politicians, do it here.

Nice try at deflecting.

How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me.

And my comparsion to US politics and the obsession with everything that happens on the other side of the world is very relevant and if comparing that to the corrupt government we have here just happens to trigger you well so be it.

Im fking triggered at the corrupt spending of 15 BILLION dollars of OUR money.

15 billion in case you didnt know is 15 thousand MILLION and yet not one comment about your thoughts on this situation.

i wonder why that is ?😏

I'm still waiting for you to have a crack at Chris Minns for the scumbag who kinghit Peter Dean being dealt with under the Young Offenders Act  ::)

If you're triggered by headlines, you probably should delve a little deeper, and I don't mean listening to influencer podcasts.

First of all the Allan Government doesn't "just happen to be in charge", they were democratically elected and, when you consider the rabble that's supposed to be the opposition, it's easy to see why.  The opposition at national level is worse, if anything, and Malcolm Turnbull's description of their incoming leader as the “best qualified idiot” is spot on.  It's funny how politicians often make more sense after they retire.

Secondly, the allegations, and that's all they are at this stage, were set out in a draft report by barrister Geoffrey Watson SC.  The draft report detailed the results of an investigation into CFMEU criminality and corruption commissioned by CFMEU administrator Mark Irving KC.  As I'm sure you know, Irving was appointed by the Commonwealth Government to clean up the CFMEU.  The report isn't a public document and is the property of the CFMEU.  When Irving read the draft, he directed Watson to delete two sections alleging that the Allan government knew of the CFMEU aggression and corruption, that Watson estimated cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, because he (Irving) was “not satisfied that they were well-founded or properly tested”.  That's the opinion of a King's Council and one of the most senior and respected industrial relations lawyers in the country, not a half-baked politician or shock jock.

Watson is p1ssed off that his allegations have been discarded but he recently said the government “would be mad to get rid of Mark Irving" and “I’ve worked for Irving for two years now, and I’ve never met a more honest or decent man … I can tell you, everything he did was opposed to corruption and was in favour of fixing the CFMEU.”

I think that scuttles any suggestion that Irving's rejection of the $15 billion corruption allegations was politically motivated or in any way intended to protect politicians or CFMEU operatives.

It's possible that the CFMEU did cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, or perhaps even $30 billion.  Heads should roll if the CFMEU cost Victorian taxpayers any funds above and beyond legitimate construction costs, and I don't just mean Allan and the relevant Ministers.  There's a raft of people - bureaucrats, police, regulators, auditors, union officials, opposition leader, shadow ministers, etc - who should be taking action at the slightest whiff of misuse of public funds and union corruption.

For the record, I don't think much of our democratically elected State Government; they're tired, short on talent, running out of ideas and money and desperately need a spell in opposition.  Sadly for Victoria and Victorians, the alternative government is no better after such a promising start by John Pesutto.  While I admire him for taking on the fascists, he wasn't very smart in the way that he went about it.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #297 –
They don't need youth crime in the USA, they have ICE.

For what it's worth regarding Victoria, things aren't so rosy in other Australian states either, claiming one is better is more an issue of cherry-picking than identifying better ways.

Crime is rife in WA, but just like the NT no media entity on the east coast gives a stuff to report it, and they don't have Bec Judd on social media as the town crier.

Sindney's organised crime makes the CFMEU in Vic look like amateurs, and it extends into parliament house and the police force.

Most in Qld are too drug f@3k3d to know what the f@ck is going on!

SA thinks Elon Musk is a good solid business partner, and that carbon emissions don't apply to all the green tech they import.

Tassie is the fraud capital of the country, half the multi-million dollar well to do homes overlooking Salamanca are occupied by NDIS welfare recipients!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #298 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: shawny – on


Nice try at deflecting.

How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me.

And my comparsion to US politics and the obsession with everything that happens on the other side of the world is very relevant and if comparing that to the corrupt government we have here just happens to trigger you well so be it.

Im fking triggered at the corrupt spending of 15 BILLION dollars of OUR money.

15 billion in case you didnt know is 15 thousand MILLION and yet not one comment about your thoughts on this situation.

i wonder why that is ?😏

I'm still waiting for you to have a crack at Chris Minns for the scumbag who kinghit Peter Dean being dealt with under the Young Offenders Act  ::)

If you're triggered by headlines, you probably should delve a little deeper, and I don't mean listening to influencer podcasts.

First of all the Allan Government doesn't "just happen to be in charge", they were democratically elected and, when you consider the rabble that's supposed to be the opposition, it's easy to see why.  The opposition at national level is worse, if anything, and Malcolm Turnbull's description of their incoming leader as the “best qualified idiot” is spot on.  It's funny how politicians often make more sense after they retire.

Secondly, the allegations, and that's all they are at this stage, were set out in a draft report by barrister Geoffrey Watson SC.  The draft report detailed the results of an investigation into CFMEU criminality and corruption commissioned by CFMEU administrator Mark Irving KC.  As I'm sure you know, Irving was appointed by the Commonwealth Government to clean up the CFMEU.  The report isn't a public document and is the property of the CFMEU.  When Irving read the draft, he directed Watson to delete two sections alleging that the Allan government knew of the CFMEU aggression and corruption, that Watson estimated cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, because he (Irving) was “not satisfied that they were well-founded or properly tested”.  That's the opinion of a King's Council and one of the most senior and respected industrial relations lawyers in the country, not a half-baked politician or shock jock.

Watson is p1ssed off that his allegations have been discarded but he recently said the government “would be mad to get rid of Mark Irving" and “I’ve worked for Irving for two years now, and I’ve never met a more honest or decent man … I can tell you, everything he did was opposed to corruption and was in favour of fixing the CFMEU.”

I think that scuttles any suggestion that Irving's rejection of the $15 billion corruption allegations was politically motivated or in any way intended to protect politicians or CFMEU operatives.

It's possible that the CFMEU did cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, or perhaps even $30 billion.  Heads should roll if the CFMEU cost Victorian taxpayers any funds above and beyond legitimate construction costs, and I don't just mean Allan and the relevant Ministers.  There's a raft of people - bureaucrats, police, regulators, auditors, union officials, opposition leader, shadow ministers, etc - who should be taking action at the slightest whiff of misuse of public funds and union corruption.

For the record, I don't think much of our democratically elected State Government; they're tired, short on talent, running out of ideas and money and desperately need a spell in opposition.  Sadly for Victoria and Victorians, the alternative government is no better after such a promising start by John Pesutto.  While I admire him for taking on the fascists, he wasn't very smart in the way that he went about it.

Without wanting to blow sunshine up your dot, David...

Your post is an astute and exemplary example of critical thinking, objectivity and cold hard facts with an intelligent conclusion. Great read old son. A lot better than any mainstream journalistic offering I've read.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #299 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Without wanting to blow sunshine up your dot, David...

Your post is an astute and exemplary example of critical thinking, objectivity and cold hard facts with an intelligent conclusion. Great read old son. A lot better than any mainstream journalistic offering I've read.

Thanks Shane but you're a much easier marker than my year 12 politics teacher!

I worked in the system for a long time and with Labor, Liberal and Nationals Ministers.  Regardless of party or ideological leanings, some were good, some were ordinary and some were awful, but only one ever had a whiff of corruption about him.  He's still in Parliament and is a shadow minister.

Thinking back about those days reminded me of a story Hugh Delahunty told me.  Hugh was the National Party MP for Wimmera and Lowan for about 15 years from the turn of last century and he was a good bloke ... for an Essendon footballer.  Hugh's sister is Mary Delahunty aka "Scary Mary", former ALP Minister for the Arts, Planning, Education and Women's Affairs.  She was elected at the same time as Hugh but only lasted until 2006.  I dealt with her in her capacity as Minister for the Arts and she was very scary ... and borderline incompetent.  Hugh and Mary's father was a farmer at Murtoa, a staunch National Party member, and not all that impressed with his daughter's political views.  Mary was back in Murtoa for a visit and went to the pub for dinner.  Hugh thought he'd stir their father and told him that the boys in the pub were giving Mary a hard time over her politics.  Their father said, "Right Hugh, were going down to the pub to sort these bastards out!"  Hugh had to fess up but I think that the story is a good example of how most Australians are able to compartmentalise politics and put it to one side, particularly for family.

Another example is Albo and Dutton who remain great mates despite the barbs they cast at each other in political life.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball