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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #345 –
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I see hope in countries starting to work together without the US - we'll see how it all goes!

This is the key right now.

You have those who are 'under the wing' of the US (australia included) but are more frequently finding themselves disagreeing with their views. But they are the big brother, so better to be on their right side.

Problem is their right side changes with the breeze as denmark (greenland) are finding out. So what is the benefit of staying aligned with them?

They bully the rest of the world into doing what they want....and we just go along with it.


I was listening to a podcast on 'appeasing Hitler' and giving into his demands (pre-war) and how the rest of the world essentially said, "Ok, lets just give him that and THEN he'll go away". But he would ask for something else.....and something else...Countries found it easier to go along with it rather than stand up to it....and eventually it was too late, and he got too powerful and then it was on.

Right now there is a lot of that going on with the US, but less obvious. Countries continue to turn a blind eye to their 'tactics' as its easier to not rock the boat. Eventually it may be too late to stand up to them. As bad as Trump is, there could always be someone worse.

The more we band against the US now, the better off the rest of the world may be later.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #346 –
We’re veering away from Victorian and Australian governments 😢

What happens in the US affects us, and the rest of the world - and that’s why the Taco thread is generally buzzing.

Our governments’ actions may have negative outcomes but they won’t create another GFC or world war.  Those negative outcomes, or positive outcomes, aren’t globally significant but they’re important to us.  So let’s keep this thread for them and discuss Taco and global issues elsewhere.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #347 –
The Victorian and Federal Governments appear untouchable despite fark up after fark up.
Locally I'd like to think Wilson will give it a good shake leading up to November but once Labour start with the playing the man (or woman) muck raking  tactics, the Victoria public seem just lap it up.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #348 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
The Victorian and Federal Governments appear untouchable despite fark up after fark up.
Locally I'd like to think Wilson will give it a good shake leading up to November but once Labour start with the playing the man (or woman) muck raking  tactics, the Victoria public seem just lap it up.

I know that senior Liberals don't give Wilson much chance, but is that more about the boys' club than reality?

History is on Wilson's side, no Premier that assumed the role after an election has won the next election.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #349 –
A 15 year old and a 17 year old had a fight in a Geelong shopping centre last week. The 15 year old stabbed the 17 year old and he’s in hospital with critical injuries.

The police tracked the 15 year old down and he appeared in court charged with the stabbing and committing an offence while on bail.

The magistrate released him on bail 🙄
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #350 –
Quote from: DJC – on
A 15 year old and a 17 year old had a fight in a Geelong shopping centre last week. The 15 year old stabbed the 17 year old and he’s in hospital with critical injuries.

The police tracked the 15 year old down and he appeared in court charged with the stabbing and committing an offence while on bail.

The magistrate released him on bail 🙄

The 15 year old was back in court and was remanded in custody, as he should have been in the first place!

I'm not generally in favour of mandatory sentencing or bail laws as I believe that magistrates and judges require discretion to administer justice fairly to all.  However, if someone commits a violent crime or offends while on bail, there would have to be a very persuasive argument put forward before bail became a consideration.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #351 –
The $15bn allegedly ripped off by the CFMEU has become a major issue for the Victorian Government but how exactly was that figure arrived at?

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Where did that $15bn figure come from?

Watson described the figure as a “very rough” estimate based on the opinions of “highly qualified stakeholders”.

Given the Big Build was worth roughly $100bn and industry sources told Watson that cost blowouts linked to CFMEU conduct ranged between 10% and 30%, he settled on an estimate of 15%, describing it as “not unreasonable” and “probably conservative”.

“From there the maths is simple – the leadership of the CFMEU has cost the Victorian taxpayer something like $15bn,” the redacted chapter reads. “There is another point to this – as will be seen, much of that $15bn has been poured directly into the hands of criminals and organised crime gangs.”

The Fair Work Commission’s general manager, Murray Furlong, later told Senate estimates the $15bn figure was “consistent with what I’ve heard from officials from the Victorian government”.

However, David Hayward, an emeritus professor of public policy and the social economy at RMIT University, said there “doesn’t seem any reason to believe criminality was as financially significant” as the redacted Watson chapters suggest.

He said overruns were largely due to increased materials and equipment costs, and issues at particular projects.

“What I don’t understand is why [Watson] went down the exaggeration path when he already established a strong case around corruption and criminality, and he really didn’t have to put an estimate in,” Hayward said.

The economist Saul Eslake said the engineering construction implicit price deflator – a measure of price growth used by Australian Bureau of Statistics – showed costs in Victoria went up by 36.8% between December 2014 and September 2025.

But this was lower than New South Wales at 37.4% and national figure of 41.7%.

“All the talk is that Victoria has become a much more expensive place to build and yet the data tells me a different story,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/feb/16/cfmeu-victorian-branch-15bn-cost-estimate-explained-administrator-report-ntwnfb

So Watson's guestimate has got people outraged when the facts of the matter, according to independent, conservative and highly respected economist, Saul Eslake, present a very different story.

Of course, this isn't a defence of the CFMEU; an organisation that should have been stamped on well before Albo took action.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #352 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: DJC – on
A 15 year old and a 17 year old had a fight in a Geelong shopping centre last week. The 15 year old stabbed the 17 year old and he’s in hospital with critical injuries.

The police tracked the 15 year old down and he appeared in court charged with the stabbing and committing an offence while on bail.

The magistrate released him on bail 🙄

The 15 year old was back in court and was remanded in custody, as he should have been in the first place!

I'm not generally in favour of mandatory sentencing or bail laws as I believe that magistrates and judges require discretion to administer justice fairly to all.  However, if someone commits a violent crime or offends while on bail, there would have to be a very persuasive argument put forward before bail became a consideration.

Back in the day they used to change the bail laws like winding a clock.
It usually happened with a change of Government or a change of Minister, or in response to public pressure after some significant offence.
I'd go from  an empty classroom to a full one in a couple of days.
I'm out of the loop now so I don't really know what the current system is thowing up but I suspect it's not too different.

There will always be inconsistencies, but it has to be considered that we're not there in the court room with the current legislation, the limits on magistrates (who no doubt do make mistakes at times), and all the facts of the offender and the offence.

 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #353 –
8 million dollar Medicare fraud committed by detainees at the Melbourne immigration centre and they were given Visa's and bail plus allowed out into the community. Detainee tip...So if you are being detained at an Immigration centre the easy way out is to commit a crime and thus win your freedom.