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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #375 –
Where is most of the One Nation 'vote' coming from?
I suspect it's mostly a drift from the Coalition.

The LNP have a bit of a task because they have to pull that vote back, but they can't afford a drift too far to the right because they then lose that moderate vote in the middle where the next election will actually be decided.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #376 –
The idea that people would vote for a policy-less, clueless, pig ignorant racist as an expression of dissatisfaction with the major parties is laughable. If you don't think any of them are worth a vote, then you should stand on principle, wear a very modest financial penalty and not vote at all. Why would you replace one pile of trash with an even bigger pile, just to send a message, or stick to individuals or groups you don't like ?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #377 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The idea that people would vote for a policy-less, clueless, pig ignorant racist as an expression of dissatisfaction with the major parties is laughable. If you don't think any of them are worth a vote, then you should stand on principle, wear a very modest financial penalty and not vote at all. Why would you replace one pile of trash with an even bigger pile, just to send a message, or stick to individuals or groups you don't like ?

Can't be less clueless than the current government and impossible to be as corrupt!

Your racist ignorant pig comment, based on current polls is unlikely to be a view shared by the majority unless of course the majority are all racists ignorant pigs..

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #378 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Where is most of the One Nation 'vote' coming from?
I suspect it's mostly a drift from the Coalition.

The LNP have a bit of a task because they have to pull that vote back, but they can't afford a drift too far to the right because they then lose that moderate vote in the middle where the next election will actually be decided.



Its too big a swing to be only from coalition supporters Lods.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #379 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The idea that people would vote for a policy-less, clueless, pig ignorant racist as an expression of dissatisfaction with the major parties is laughable. If you don't think any of them are worth a vote, then you should stand on principle, wear a very modest financial penalty and not vote at all. Why would you replace one pile of trash with an even bigger pile, just to send a message, or stick to individuals or groups you don't like ?

It's a spectrum Paul, and One Nation are drawing from the right of the Coalition where the differences aren't as great as someone from the left would see them.
Barnaby Joyce is an example of someone where the lines are not so dramatic.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #380 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Where is most of the One Nation 'vote' coming from?
I suspect it's mostly a drift from the Coalition.

The LNP have a bit of a task because they have to pull that vote back, but they can't afford a drift too far to the right because they then lose that moderate vote in the middle where the next election will actually be decided.



Its too big a swing to be only from coalition supporters Lods.

No doubt a bit is coming from elsewhere but it's probably a single issue like immigration, cost of living that is drawing them.
I'm not sure One Nation has the answers they are looking for, especially in relation to something like the economy.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #381 –
Quote from: shawny – on
How do you explain one nation which is about as far right wing as you can get rapidly rising in popularity

Or is it another beat up BS story like the 15-30B of our tax payers money going to illegal activities, which as it cant be verified to your liking is now dismissed ?

DJC these are the times when you keep defending and refuse to admit any wrong doing that you lose credibility to me as its obvious your comments are not coming from a balanced view of the situation. Majority of us have a political side we support but most can also call a spade a spade too.

Oh well we shall all see in the upcoming elections what the people think.

Have you tried Vote Compass?

If not it's at https://votecompass.com/

It's based on the last election but still shows how your views/opinions fit in with those of the five major parties.  It also shows how much the policies of the parties overlap.

For the record, my results are slightly to the left of dead centre.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #382 –
I like to think I'm pretty much dead centre...but maybe slightly to the right.
I was a local union branch vice president for many years so workers conditions were a big part of my working career. My family were fairly conservative. Military on Dads side ..farmer's on Mum's so my parents were mostly LNP voters.
We're all shaped by life experiences.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #383 –
Im a fascist these days. 

Ive been a Labor voter my whole life until covid.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #384 –
The swings currently being reported in the polls depend greatly on who you ask and what is the question. As I've mentioned before, Victorian's voting for Hansen's One Nation party which is almost devoid of local representation, is like Australian's voting to be remote managed by Bejing.

Her party is built on a primary industry foundation, primary industry that is almost 100% subservient to China's buying power.

Beef, lamb, coal, iron, aluminium, soy, wheat, corn, etc., etc., etc.. you name it, China's market dominance controls it and indirectly funds One Nation, despite her racist rhetoric she is completely beholding to them.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #385 –
Quote from: LP – on
The swings currently being reported in the polls depend greatly on who you ask and what is the question. As I've mentioned before, Victorian's voting for Hansen's One Nation party which is almost devoid of local representation, is like Australian's voting to be remote managed by Bejing.

Her party is built on a primary industry foundation, primary industry that is almost 100% subservient to China's buying power.

Beef, lamb, coal, iron, aluminium, soy, wheat, corn, etc., etc., etc.. you name it, China's market dominance controls it and indirectly funds One Nation, despite her racist rhetoric she is completely beholding to them.
Remote managing from Beijing was something Dan Andrews was trying to facilitate long before One Nations rise to prominence, comrade Andrews Belt and Road initiative would have left us in more debt to Chinese infrastructure companies.
China essentially build infrastructure around the world and target countries who cant really afford to pay then play Bailiff and call in the debt or take control of the assets.....not sure Pauline would understand the concept but Dan was happy to play along and use the creation of jobs etc as an excuse, a real fine mess that would have ended up given our level of debt now.
Pauline might obtain some level of numbers in the Senate and be able to influence policy but I cant see her and Barnaby ever being able to form a Government even in partnership with other minority parties and the level of fear over One Nation ever being a strong force in Australian Politics is exaggerated greatly imho.
The late Don Chipp was meant to keep the "bastards honest" with the Australian Democrats formation but the bastards kept and keep getting elected while the AD's were deregistered and only recently resurfaced with zero success and Id be tipping Pauline and crew will meet the same fate.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #386 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: shawny – on
How do you explain one nation which is about as far right wing as you can get rapidly rising in popularity

Or is it another beat up BS story like the 15-30B of our tax payers money going to illegal activities, which as it cant be verified to your liking is now dismissed ?

DJC these are the times when you keep defending and refuse to admit any wrong doing that you lose credibility to me as its obvious your comments are not coming from a balanced view of the situation. Majority of us have a political side we support but most can also call a spade a spade too.

Oh well we shall all see in the upcoming elections what the people think.

Have you tried Vote Compass?

If not it's at https://votecompass.com/

It's based on the last election but still shows how your views/opinions fit in with those of the five major parties.  It also shows how much the policies of the parties overlap.

For the record, my results are slightly to the left of dead centre.
Same, suprisingly
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #387 –
Im touching centre, but just right and abiut one bubble with higher than middle.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #388 –
We'll see how all this Iran business changes things. 

America doing American things.

Good old regime change and freedom.  Without worrying about whos right and wrong how would we all like it if Xi xing ping decided to give us a regime change and some good old Chinese branded structure? 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson